Censorship in "alternative media": users have to judge

That the so-called MSM media, the classic sheep media reader comments censor what it's worth, is also known as no surprise.

Less well known but little surprising, at least at first glance, like many massively censor "alternative" Portals, nachlöschen, lock.

I myself have had similar experience, but heard again and again very credible fact that I'm not the only colorful dog whose objections are apparently not so rare perceives alswie the horse apple on the white tablecloth.

We are talking here, of course, only of contributions as far as free speech in Germany legally, the operator has thus not protecting themselves as the commentators, and of those that do not contain exaggerated insults or bullying or so off-topic, perhaps only to promotional purposes, just purely arbitrary, simply because the owner of the content does not fit, the Light of the world network can not see.

Witziger- or sadly, as one might see it often seem just so not squeamish to deal operators, particularly rant loudly about media manipulation with their own customers.

What the ox must not (to denounce in the sheep media), which is probably the Jupiter sale.

Jupiter texts can in fact have no gross inconsistencies noticed a reader Jupiter, sure.

There seems to actually go to a kind of nimbus of Gurutums: you have to can be easily criticized by every running up Schlunz.

Often it may be shrewd calculation: This commentators I rather just shoo, or teach him Mores.

On the whole, it is but one way or another to a modulation of the flock to followers.

One has, as measured by the suspected or actual benefits, usually little harm in it. Because few dare to know to effectively defend themselves, to spread the myth, whosoever where what. Many are too cowardly, others want to be a traitor to possibly put himself in an oblique light by the reflection of the Guru trailer almost certainly going in the direction that Censored had just misbehaved accordingly.

And also: "The man does make good, important work, we must not lacerate themselves!"

So stigmatized is fast that which refers to censorship, and not the censor.

But too many fig. Again and again I read the whining, one was there and there were some jokes sound whenever. Why then is he again and again and tries his luck, each time by the smaller, again?

May he not rightly zuwenigst suspect that it is with others as well? That if probably the most comment anyway anonymous, then censored nor will, alsomit published opinion deliberately manipulated (almost?) Must speak of a kind of black Bude, on whose prosperity he as Unterstmöchtegernadept, he does at the end conducive involved?

It is often enough evident even another guru who is close to the operator guru, or whose guru is, to doubt that the lever is turned over.

People who act in a way that I definitely do not want to be governed instead of those who currently see them at the helm, I will in no weighty responsibility. Because they are responsible not. And best of cowardice or blind followers. Otherwise, from the "real" base motives.

Users need to judge it.

You can in fact choose to not only comment but also on other sides of their censorship experience, very concretely report.

This seems also been increasingly occur.

More of it.

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76 Responses to "censorship" alternative media ": users have to judge"

  1. Jochen says:

    "Users have to judge"

    Just wait, if the true judge comes, everything will go up in smoke and fire! Or not.

    http://anderssagen.wordpress.com/2013/12/08/warum-heist-jesus-christus-nicht-immanuel/

  2. Dude says:

    It is increasingly apparent that Karl Weiss is a really bad, critical comments censoring Desinfoagent. For more information see hier: https://dudeweblog.wordpress.com/2013/12/04/jean-ziegler-ist-kein-lobbyist-der-roholmafia/comment-page-1/#comment-3509

    Ps. Did he just leave the link in the comment string, and I assume that will be censored.

  3. Magnus Wolf Goller says:

    @ Dude

    Weigh your words. Sitting in Brazil. You are in Switzerland.

  4. bl says:

    @ Dude

    Your comments will appear but at Karl Weiss, including his answers ...

  5. Magnus Wolf Goller says:

    @ Bl

    I think at Weiss only the first to comment Dude. From the 3rd of December. Which was released to my knowledge, timely and commented on 4 against what dude I know, never denied.

  6. bl says:

    Ah so ... But that KW has yet again described why he thinks Jean Ziegler has changed sides. I have no idea whether it is so or otherwise, but dude will not allow any questioning ...

  7. Dude says:

    "But dude wants to allow any questioning ..."

    Say you have a reading disability or has ne's easy shitting brain?

    Here you go: https://dudeweblog.wordpress.com/2013/12/04/jean-ziegler-ist-kein-lobbyist-der-roholmafia/

    The Desinfoagent KW has - despite a request in the article - in relation to any position, and also my comments are still propagated three censored!

  8. Magnus Wolf Goller says:

    @ Dude

    I beg you, no matter how right you have like, urgently linguistic moderation. That's just not up to the sound, I would like to hear here over other commentators.

  9. Dude says:

    Magnus

    I know. But such makes me obergranatenstinkhässig and accordingly designed the formulation.

  10. Magnus Wolf Goller says:

    @ Dude

    No matter who is bl, was and still is, or ever was, which still is much to suggest that she is who she is, and even if she had anything else on their provocation towards above (I see it as one) You wolllest yes do not allow questioning: I do not want it that way.

    I suggest that you let it go now and I will forgive you and bl a hopefully reliable but rudeness Your contributes to the point, you might have about this still does not bear with in the end, yes, but now it contributes behaved.

  11. Dude says:

    Magnus

    If I had time, desire and strength to do so, I would take apart this Karl Weiss viciously - who or what may come.

    But currently I see absolutely degrees at all no more sense in it, got to do something ...

    Except perhaps in the cave of the essence einzukehren ...
    https://dudeweblog.wordpress.com/2013/04/16/einkehr-in-die-hohle-des-wesens/
    By April or so ...

  12. bl says:

    "But such makes me obergranatenstinkhässig and accordingly designed the formulation." Dude

    Yes, it is always painful when myths are destroyed or scratched. This goes directly to the beliefs and they are in a sense chiseled in stone, ie, they are not questioned, often not even recognized.

    Jean Ziegler certainly has its merits, but he is also a member of the system and may serve this even as a fig leaf. He did not appear to understand, despite his age, that you can not change it from within a system. This is only from a higher vantage point.

    I am sure that you all "heroes", myths and other models radically questioned. This also applies to Nelson Mandela, who is now praised by the system in the sky. Very questionable ...

  13. Magnus Wolf Goller says:

    @ Bl

    Again, these beliefs ...

    You have what it is, put my opinion in a nutshell.

    And I thank you that you let go Dudes violence as sovereign.

  14. Magnus Wolf Goller says:

    @ Dude

    This white it is not worth it to continue executing in him. I advise you, however, about the times about what "bl" has just said above.

  15. Dude says:

    Magnus

    What bl said above, I think this is totally gripped from the air and weird bullshit.

    With not a word he has responded to my comments in the article, and obviously has not looked at the number of sources (alternative and mainstream).

    Something is simply laughable and such laughable stuff I take seriously.

    But accurately confirm such comments to me again what I expressed to the entertainment Conduct and the Plappermentalität hatte: https://dudeweblog.wordpress.com/2013/11/24/uber-das-konsumgebaren-das-unterhaltungstreiben-und-die-plappermentalitat-der-schuldgeldknechtschaftssklaven-dreckskapitalismus-teil-ii/

    I any case, sick and tired of people - Bioroboterschuldgeldknechtschaftssklaven which people grumble. You obviously want the NWO and have earned it when the rule Psychos realize the Guidestones bids.

    I do not care.

    Fuck it.

    Love greeting from asshole.

  16. Dude says:

    Ps. Ziegler is next to a Franz Weber One of the last remaining true hero on earth, and soon they are all cut off. The masters of the world laugh up their sleeves.

  17. Magnus Wolf Goller says:

    @ Dude

    In fact bl has not responded to your article. That you wilt not allow questioning, although initially was an assumption, but one that you increasingly verleihst truth. The total bullshit, of whom you're talking about, I do not see.
    Why Ziegler is still working for the UN?
    I do not understand it either.
    For this to times to use your diction, the association rule psychos?
    To this question I have asked indirectly also with you, you've just pushed you how to respect those Ziegler's very strange conduct in the case of Gaddafi.
    Which raises the suspicion that you can think of to much.
    Also why Hans Ziegler, as it says on the advice of his extremely dubious girlfriend Simone de Beauvoir, has changed his first name to Jean why one makes something where he does not an artist who wants to sell his paintings or better to Hollywood, earned a consideration.
    I have been dealing with me just Ziegler, but now three question marks about his person.
    Not surprise me, it would be even more, insofar as I looked closer.
    And if you now again losschimpfst alswie a fishwife, so that will not impress me safe. bl probably not.

    PS: This has nothing to do with the ramblings that Karl Weiss. You're talking about Ziegler as the last hero. As you should in fact allow questioning. Otherwise helps everything positive that you mentioned to him a little.

  18. Dude says:

    Magnus

    I talk about this issue only there where it belongs on.
    https://dudeweblog.wordpress.com/2013/12/04/jean-ziegler-ist-kein-lobbyist-der-roholmafia/
    When asked why he works for the government Psychos the UN - I forgot in the article - I can you answer (I've been waiting a long time that it represents someone) and would already like to add in the comment string, especially since I have nothing in the near future more new will create. Probably until at least April.

    And yes, I know that You had already been indirectly, but I wanted to, first, the commentators to defer and also I will answer them only when it is placed directly ... ... it can also come from self. Keywords: https://dudeweblog.wordpress.com/2013/11/03/infiltrationsperfektion/

    As for Ghadaffi, I lacked appropriate source details from you. There's a lot of talk, lots of it disinfo and propaganda.

    And as for the first name. Have you linked to in Article documentary "The rebel from Lake Geneva" watch?

    And by the way. Which of his books you have actually already read? Please count me the list of times, thank you in advance.

  19. Jochen tea tree says:

    @ Magnus Wolf Göllerlifte

    So, even if I was not addressed, but I also thought about what bl wrote here and here is the uncomfortable feeling I had at the first reading, growing ever since.

    That the things that meet a meaningful way to question and to the extent possible, should check for accuracy one is certainly a truism that no one is seriously call into question. Well, this sentence appears to contain an internal contradiction: if one is questioning everything, one must of course be questioned whether it is right to put everything into question. But the questioning of the questioning must be questioned, etc. So we come not obvious.

    And of course it is always painful when one experiences a disappointment, especially when it relates to a person to whom you believed and trusted in you. But this happen here? Is a "myth" destroyed or even been scratched? Apart from the fact that Jean Ziegler mE not a myth, but one of the few people in public life is that deserve our full support, the arguments are Charles White for his claim zoom attracting far-fetched and bl has no own arguments. It is certainly a good right of bl and scrutinize every everything, even the few shining lights that we have. Then he should thoroughly investigate and gather all the information he can find, they will turn against one another, question and question again, if he does so much fun - to subdue finally everything a plausibility check. When he comes to a meaningful result, he should post this absolutely.

    What I did not find so great is when you - talking about people in derogatory way, even if this is in the form of trite platitudes - for no particular reason. No, a single Jean Ziegler, this system can not change, but a few thousands as he could perhaps - and after all, he tried!
    Remains to be seen how successful will have bl, with its system change "from a higher vantage point" from.

  20. Magnus Wolf Goller says:

    @ Dude

    Now I'm no longer with. The topic is, although even here come up, not discussed here from you, just where it belongs, with you. But then you ask me two questions. I will not answer you now consistent. I may be kidding myself.
    Do you have the theme Ziegler brought here and linked three times already on your posting this. And now, since two BWA have entered it, is one of the discussion is not here. Very noticeable would be that.
    Should I now about bl and me and all who might still want to get in, give the instruction on Jean Ziegler and the current trappings, the topic of censorship in this connection, only to discuss the Dude?
    Incidentally, that was a rhetorical question. So it's perfectly fine if you do not answering.

  21. Magnus Wolf Goller says:

    @ Jochen tea tree

    Thank you for this objection, I just, as I said dude had not seen before.

  22. Burma says:

    Daring acts Hans (by Simone de Beauvoir Jean advice) Ziegler and from noble motives, however -apart from the topic Biosprit- a right "do-gooder", so in many cases highly misinformed. That's why he got no problems with the UN. There are obviously people anyway as "Karl Weiss". I was likewise been censored, I thought it would be because of its (pseudo-) leftist ideology, ie the onset of cognitive dissonance when something scratching at his dogmas. I thought that probably needs simply some time to wake up, or he will diskarnieren stupid. Brazil could be an indication that Brid sends submarines to South America like the trolls (as an incentive?), Like this (now different) Admin of the "realm Depp Forum". Terra Germania, a crazy and sometimes dull-brown-looking domain has been by now clearly revealed as system side, that there are other examples like (Pi, at least as regards the most admins also be including what there hushed up or censored and what theme will be suspect necessarily arise).

  23. Magnus Wolf Goller says:

    @ Burma

    Thank you. Good thing the discussion going on here.

    Brazil is also already repeatedly struck me as dubious indeed address of site operators. What do I think of PI, is known. Also I have heard spoken several times and credible, they censored massive. That is now, if applicable (I have little doubt that), in which there driven agenda, again hardly surprising.

  24. Burma says:

    I just see that as what has overlapped (Hans). The change, and probably also the French "accent", stir my For holding of the extreme rejection and contempt for the "Nazis", which come clearly to light at Jean, and shame, for, in his opinion rather uncivilized "people of perpetrators" to belong. Left halt ...

  25. Magnus Wolf Goller says:

    @ Burma

    I do not know if and how Ziegler to change its name (which is no small 'thing) has expressed closer, but your argument is conclusive. At least I got the thing, even before hitting them now publicly interpreted so figured the same way.
    Or maybe it was just the love of French language, a mannerism, an upsurge difficult to take back the result?
    But, dear (r) Burma, we have already seen, the Dude, mild but also by Jochen tea tree, that we should be better scrutinize the actions of people like a Jean Ziegler, not sharper. Even the motives of their actions.

  26. Magnus Wolf Goller says:

    The name change from (of all! What an irony!) Hans to Jean as a kind of personal de-Germanization in the sense of an auto denazification?

    Wegzensiert your own name?

    Oh woe.

    Has a say something?

    Was it me?

    I can not remember.

    The local censor must in any case have slept again.

  27. Dude says:

    Magnus

    First you say you are no longer talking about me here on the topic, and then, shortly thereafter, you are doing it indirectly yet? * Lol * What was that about which-yourself-and-piss-can? ;-)

    And no, I'm not the issue Z. brought here, but only the censorship practices (ontopic !!!) from Desinfoagenten Karl Weiss addressed!
    https://unzensiert.zeitgeist-online.de/2013/12/08/zensur-in-alternativen-medien-die-nutzer-mussen-es-richten/comment-page-1/#comment-256672
    Whereupon I bl has assumed not to allow questionings about Ziegler, prompting me the collar has burst, etc. (see History of the comment string.)

    Ps Have. You heard speak ever NEN Italians Hans? Do you know where the Lake Geneva is? * Rofl *

  28. Magnus Wolf Goller says:

    @ Dude

    Yes, and who has studied the philologist who Romance me. Uh, at. Yes, it would have been unreasonable for when Hans running around to try the poor Ans on Lake Geneva. A Rune Lore would not even have thought that he considers himself ansuz, the Aesir, that Wotan, Odin. Who wants that?
    Jump to Harald's and Helmut and Holger's and Hubert's and all the other with German Swiss H-anlautigen name also the same as the Hänse when they verschlägt to Lake Geneva, not to break the Nova Swiss tongue or hear her name constantly forward castrated to have?
    Incidentally, a Jean reversed in Germany, where the nasal unfamiliar, as with us, Schwaben, thus get away stupid, so it should rather make the Hans, because the get the Berlin and Hamburg out without problems.

  29. Magnus Wolf Goller says:

    Yes, there is almost exciting. Jean Ziegler called in French Jean 'Ziegler (German accent on the first syllable), or then but consistently, Jean Zieg'ler (stress on the final syllable, open instead of closed "e" (with no name grave accent required no additional "s" after the "r", I know)?
    The whole Jeanerei should he at any rate, the Italians call normal German Ziegler, so he has not brought much; here the people are called by their first names and now Kevin Clark, and if the last name but Ziegler is now, you do not keep it nevertheless for true love British.

  30. Jochen tea tree says:

    @ Magnus Wolf Göllerlifte

    I do not wish to take the discussion here. That Jean Ziegler the Gaddafi Human Rights Prize co-founded and is said to have spoken of this award as "anti-Nobel Prize in the Third World," one can accuse him, who needs an excuse to him to an already planned festival speech can unload again, I will do not blame him. And why he is still working at the UN, he will probably only know yourself. I am as an "in many cases well desinformierter" Jean Ziegler in his public action much better than a Burmese, who of course knows everything much better, but no one listens to anyway.

    But as I said, I do not wish to drive this discussion. My concern is simply a clarification. You write: "... we have already seen, the Dude, mild but also by Jochen tea tree, that we should be better scrutinize the actions of people like a Jean Ziegler, not sharper. Even the motives of their actions. "
    Since you have but completely misunderstood me. Of course, you can and should the actions and motivations of the people always question. Also by Jean Ziegler. And if you had done that to an unbiased manner, you would perhaps understand why Dude has reacted very emotionally to the attacks. It is in my opinion very difficult Jean Ziegler not be treated with respect, if you know a bit more about him. Maybe then also the very important question of why Mr. Ziegler, the "Jean" like better than the "John" would lose some of its significance.

  31. Magnus Wolf Goller says:

    @ Jochen tea tree

    Well, that is also your last word here.

    But I will reply again if I want to, even twice.

    "And if you had done that to an unbiased manner (the actions and motivations of people questioning, n. Of MWG), you would perhaps understand why Dude has reacted very emotionally to the attacks."

    I have the actions and motivations Ziegler has therefore questioned unbiased, because the man I was not a special term until a few days. Thus far behind the moon I live. Maybe I've heard the name before, but I would not be able to assign.

    I have, as I became aware of his heroes adjudication, the mischief of Karl Weiss klariter referring, as this in itself was clearly inconsistent, then made me a bit of thought, browsed, came across the mentioned issues.

    For all three, I got neither here nor at Dude, by any Ziegler experts, as a layman, a viable answer. Only evasive.

    That's not enough for me.

    Do not worry, I will not mutate into a Ziegler-hunters. I also understand Dudes emotions. However, it was pretty rough. And if something is running hero plus rudeness but minus real answers to questions, then I see myself here on my side, especially if the basic theme is censorship, demanded klariter not to relax.

    I do not want to be confused, sometimes said one.

  32. Magnus Wolf Goller says:

    @ Jochen tea tree

    Yes, it's enough for one answer.

    'And why he is still working at the UN, he will probably only know yourself. I am as an "in many cases well desinformierter" Jean Ziegler in his public action much better than a Burmese, who of course knows everything much better, but no one listens to anyway. '

    Debunking. "He will probably only know yourself." So you do not ask rather equal, you have no right to do so. Only HE knows it, and that is to accept unconditionally.

    "... As an Burma, which of course knows everything much better, but no one listens to anyway."

    Do you know who "Burma" is? Who listens to him? From where?

    I do not know, anyway.

    And when should hear him less people than the Lord Ziegler, he therefore would be less, nothing at all? And if he had to say better than the Lord Ziegler, only fewer people heard him?

    As a supporter of Mr Weiss any case, Burma has not excelled on the contrary. And with Mr. Ziegler's role, he was / she is not aggressive to. Not at all.

    I put gewöhnlichhin that commentators defend themselves (can). I also have no doubt established that Burma could this.

    Now, however Dude has already ausgekeult so bl reduce, now this backhand, is recognized from behind through the chest, resist another commentators, otherwise again only smoke candles per Ziegler and against all who question him, I stride again a.

    The questioner does not bring the matter now times. Has to bring in the Brusttone convinced modest to know the answers.

    So that's everywhere, even here.

  33. Dude says:

    Magnus

    http://tel.local.ch/de/q?ext=1&rid=jWOU&name=hans&company=&street=&city=&area=genf%2C+waadt&phone =

    http://tel.local.ch/de/q?ext=1&rid=DFbL&name=jean&company=&street=&city=&area=genf%2C+waadt&phone =

    Klingelts? ;-)

    Ps. Eine klare Antwort hast Du auch schon bekommen! https://unzensiert.zeitgeist-online.de/2013/12/08/zensur-in-alternativen-medien-die-nutzer-mussen-es-richten/comment-page-1/#comment-257802

  34. Magnus Wolf Goller says:

    @ Dude

    Jetzt verlinkst Du schon innerhalb dieses doch keine zweitausend Kommentare umfassenden Strangs auf einen Deiner Vorkommentare. What is this?

    Ansonsten auch bloß Links.

    Ich werde sie nicht anklicken, bevor mir einer erklärt, weshalb ich das sollte.

    Meine/unsere Fragen/Einwände an Dich wie an Herrn Teebaum gingen an die jeweiligen Adressen. Irgendwelche eingestellten Links bilden da, ohne Erläuterung, keine Antwort.

  35. Magnus Wolf Goller says:

    @ All

    Es geht hier eigentlich um Zensur. Speziell um Zensur in sogenannten alternativen Medien. Der Fall Weiss/Ziegler liefert ein gutes Beispiel. Ein besonders gutes sogar.
    Denn, indem sich bislang hier alle einig waren, dass Karl Weiss nicht nur unsachlich argumentiert habe (wenigstens widersprach keiner dieser Meinung), sondern auch an seiner Zensurpraxis wenig Zweifel bestehen, sahen wir andere, “weichere” Formen der versuchten Zensur hieselbst aufblitzen.

    Hier sei darüber, über diesen speziellen Fall, nicht weiterzudiskutieren. Ziegler zu hinterfragen, das sei unanständig, wofern man nicht seine Bücher gelesen habe. Nur er könne wissen, was ihn umtreibe. Wichte irgendvonwoher möchten dahingehend sich nicht verwagen wollen, seine Erhabenheit anzuzweifeln. Die Zensur in den Köpfen also ward, mehr oder weniger deutlich, gefordert.

    Wegen eines Helden, der mal Hans hieß, jetzt Jean heißt, auf Anraten von Simone de Beauvoir, der noch als Endsiebziger wacker für die UNO arbeitet.

    Zufall oder Fügung? Müßige Frage.

    Ein Schlaglicht auf die heutigen Verhältnisse allemal.

  36. Magnus Wolf Goller says:

    @ Bl

    You spoke also the cult of Mandela. What I found the same quite appropriate. Here I found a little earlier (especially as the comments are often very interesting), you might be interested and very well fit into the context of censorship.

    http://www.sezession.de/42758/das-wahre-erbe-des-nelson-mandela.html#more-42758

    LG

  37. Magnus Wolf Goller says:

    @ Bl

    Oh, now I let myself at night no more rags to Dreie, saying here right here to Mandela now what you will give me yonder commenting on the above linked article by Martin Lichtmesz to this calendar days may still unlock:

    "You can see it that way: By the West had decided to raze the Apartheid regime, certainly in the course of an oncoming program of anti-white anti-racism, inevitably had a black light shape ago, this would have accomplished ostensibly. Does not it natural. And another would Mandela can take place.
    The whole thing is a show. And in fact, one in which the so-called mourners have mainly taken to beweihräuchern himself to direct the saints shine up.
    Such is the to call in a word Nietzsche when everything conspiratorial zusammenschwärt. "

  38. Dude says:

    As for Mandela, I see the way as a show ... as opposed to Z.

    However, you'd probably also played there myself if you would otherwise have threatened to squat even the rest of your life in the hole ...

  39. Dude says:

    Although I still have to add that Mandela before the ill-Rhodes heirs had put him into the hole it most likely had very honorable intentions ... but can a hole about 20 years but rather eaten ... I myself would have me probably already in the cell the belt hung ...

  40. bl says:

    Yes, that's an interesting article, the Nelson Mandela reasonably accurate describes. Even after his death he is being exploited for the block - or perhaps even more so. The "show" must go on. Main natural resources are protected.

    To me it's not about Jean Ziegler or Nelson Mandela reduced. Who live or have lived the way they think up or thinking up flat. I am talking about the hero worship and these two gentlemen are simply a good example. Hero-worship is always, at least in my eyes, something stupid (s. Nietzsche).

    This deputy mentality is what as our "democracies" sick and it is also what own thinking if not prevented, but severely limits. The hero should it depend what you yourself do not trust, namely, to think purposefully in his own mind, first of all. This one's thinking would be the most important action that a person can do and it is also his immense influence on the events, individually and as a result also en masse. Unfortunately, the censorship works not only in the media. The primary censorship is still in the mind.

    Actually, everyone has the same amount of influence, which was indeed denied by some here, if he does this influence. So if you want absolutely adore someone, then himself. To worship themselves or even better, to love the whole of humanity, including fauna and flora, paradise would bring a lot closer ...

  41. Magnus Wolf Goller says:

    @ Dude

    Of course I have no idea what I would have done instead Mandela. But the woman, Mamma Africa Winnie Mandela, to give it ruffs distributed (burning tires), I would have made me determined from the jaw.

  42. Magnus Wolf Goller says:

    @ Bl

    “Die primäre Zensur ist immer noch in den Köpfen.”

    Exactly. Und Heldenverehrung wird wesentlich dafür instrumentalisiert, dass das so bleibt.

    Allerdings habe auch ich Vorbilder, verehre ich, wenn man so will, Helden, Nietzsche, Cervantes, Schiller, Kleist, Konfuzius…

    Ich sehe sie bzw. ihre Werke indes vor allem als einen ermutigenden Ansporn, als einen Aufruf dahingehend, “zielgerecht im eigenen Sinn zu denken, zuerst einmal.”

    Ich sehe schon, das Thema Heldenverehrung sollte in einen eigenen Artikel münden, der nicht nur den Zensuraspekt dazu umfasst.

  43. Dude says:

    @bl

    Es geht nicht um Heldenverehrung, sondern Ehrerbietung und Respektbekundung für einen (Z.) der grössten und letzten noch lebenden Helden auf Erden! Das nicht Selbst zu raffen betrachte ich auch als “etwas dümmlich”… ;-p

    Und wenn ich den Rest Deines Kommentars lese, wird immer offensichtlicher, dass Du meinen Artikel entweder gar nicht gelesen, oder tatsächlich eine Leseschwäche hast…

    “Eigentlich hat jeder Mensch gleich viel Einfluss”

    Ja genau, der CEO der UBS oder besser der Major der City of London haben nicht mehr und nicht weniger Einfluss als bl. Stimmt haargenau, jaja… rofl*

    Ps. Was den Schlusssatz betrifft, bringst Du's allerdings voll auf den Punkt. Denn wer sich Selbst nicht zu lieben vermag, kann auch niemand anderes lieben…

    Magnus

    Dito@Weib

    Da war mir Mamma Africa Mirijam Makeba viel viel lieber…

  44. Dude says:

    übrigens auch eine Heldin… die auch zu den schon toten gehört… tja, wie ich bereits sagte, es werden immer weniger.. nicht zufällig…

  45. bl sagt:

    Dude, schön, dass Du immer gute Vorlagen lieferst. So bleibt die Diskussion im Gang. Ja, ich behaupte, dass jeder Mensch gleich viel Einfluss hat, aber diesen gewöhnlich nicht wahrnimmt, dh diesen Einfluss – seine Macht – auf Stellvertreter überträgt. Das passiert so automatisch, dass Du Dir nicht einmal bewusst bist, dass Du den CEO oder den Major Irgendwas selbst auf den Thron hievst, wo Du ihn dann, je nachdem, bewundern oder fürchten kannst. So funktioniert jede Art von Machtübertragung. Und wenn jemand sagt, dass er seine eigene Autorität ist, dann wälzt Du Dich auf dem Boden vor Lachen und wirst sarkastisch. Kein Wunder, dass es so viele Untertanen gibt.

    Ach, ich habe übrigens Deinen Artikel gelesen…

  46. bl sagt:

    “Wartet nur, wenn der wahre Richter kommt, dann wird alles in Rauch und Feuer aufgehen! Oder auch nicht.” Jochen

    Das ist auch so eine ungute Machtübertragung, diesmal auf irgendeinen Gott, der angeblich ein Richter ist. Well ...

  47. Magnus Wolf Goller says:

    Now I'm also a bit silly. But at least with some prior censorship.

    However, I have to fix, at least a little bit of stupid pass as a dude and bl.

    So I naturally did not understand much of what the two of you there, sometimes sardonic, sometimes a little rough, around the ears have carved. My simple mind at least it was at times very amusing, sometimes I even feel as though I genuinely found edifying. And sometimes I was like as if I had heard very friendly tones between the clash of arms. Perhaps I was also all the noise only by a Direction brought in irgendsoein, what's dat thingy yet, Drehlirium.

    Dear Dude. Please'm not as stupid as I am, so that you can practically go bl in any glue. You've probably did not even notice that you are slightly dizzy.

    If bl has a reading disability, I have a Dümmlichkeitsschwäche. And since latter is excluded, even the former can not be correct. I almost still said Capici? But that's too brash and vulgar. The Swabian Hoschtme !? verstehst vielleicht Du und noch ein paar südwestdeutsch Verankerte, aber der arme diskriminierte Rest halt nicht, weshalb ich es gleichfalls verworfen habe.

    Liebe bl. Durch das, was ich eben zu Dude sagte, habe ich erstmal auch zu Dir an diesem Punkte gesagt, was ich mich traute. Das meiste jedenfalls. Ich bin mir nicht einmal mehr sicher, ob ich Deinen Texten allen nicht nicht ohne Unverständnis begegnet sei, ja selbst dem Geflechte, welches diese, klar zufällig, eben doch bilden, etwas von seiner Textur abgefühlt habe.

    Auf jeden Fall ist der Dude bei Dir gut aufgehoben. Solange Du Dich so rührend um ihn kümmerst, werde ich sicherlich nicht dümmlich dazwischenschreiten. Well. So gut ich das halt kann.

    LG

  48. Dude says:

    @bl

    Führst Du Dein Leben ganz ohne den Herrschaftsmechanismus GELD?

    Dann bist Du der Einflussfreiheit von äusseren Mächten jedenfalls schon einen grossen Schritt näher gekommen. Wenn nicht, bist auch Du an gewisse – gezielt installierte Abhängigkeiten gebunden und und allein schon deshalb hast Du einen anderen Einfluss als der Major der City (wobei es dazu noch unzählige weitere Gründe gibt)…

    Magnus

    *rofl* Dich muss man einfach lieben! :-)

  49. Birma sagt:

    @ Magnus

    Vielen lieben Dank für´s in Schutz nehmen!

    @ Jochen Teebaum

    Es freut mich wirklich, dass sie ein solcher Hans-Ziegler-Jünger sind, allerdings wird der Wert ihres Plädoyers, sein Effekt, durch ihr augenscheinlich etwas schlichteres Gemüt vermutlich gemindert: Ich rechtfertigte Jeans Arbeit für die UN mit seinem Kenntnisstand; er kommt mit der – im Zweifel für den Angeklagten – Erklärung, verdientermassen, verdammt gut weg. Sie zeigen daraufhin (!) Beissreflexe. Im Übrigen wissen wohl vielmehr die Entscheidungsträger bei der UNO, warum sie ihn noch für diesen Moloch arbeiten lassen, also er noch für sie arbeitet: Jean ist harmlos für sie, er ahnt zuwenig von den Machenschaften der Hintermänner. Er könnte gar nichts machen, wenn sie ihn “beurlaubten”.

    Ihr “Daß Jean Ziegler den Gaddafi-Preis für Menschenrechte mitbegründet und von diesem Preis als „Anti-Nobelpreis der Dritten Welt“ gesprochen haben soll, kann ihm vorwerfen, wer einen Vorwand braucht (…)” zeigt ganz klar, dass ihre Verehrung schon ihren Verstand vernebelt hat. Er hätte skeptischer sein und hinterfragen können, statt einfach der Propaganda aufzusitzen, er kannte Gaddafi persönlich. Irgendwie ziemlich illoyal dem Revolutionsführer gegenüber, und furchtbar unbedarft/schaficht. Nebenbei: Auch bei meinem “Gender” haben sie falsch geraten.

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