The people hold on to that Jesus, like as if they were desperately addicted.
THERE MUST BE AT LEAST THE WELL HAVE BEEN !!!
No handed down Jesus' behavior today brings us farther.
Time the changer tables in the temple upset, then go begging again at Daddy usurers. It's nothing new.
But The worst is the one with the cross, which he had worn for all, so that they from their sins, alswelche nothing but debt, redeemed.
None of this was any redeemed. (The idea is in itself already feeble-minded, and I'll say it again anyway but for clarity.)
Fully measured, or totally dishonest: I am the first matter.
The symbolism is as hinschwätzen like me, who likes absolutely clear: Jesus did not abolish the alleged original sin, but he has still much deeper! Zuwenigst doubled!
Now we are not only because of the original sin and all other sins abrahamitisch applied guilty, but even Jesus all our miserable life, because he sake of our debt so sacrificed himself for us! And we, obviously, from the rest of the pack so far but unfortunately somehow redeemed. We are namely pay at least twofold.
I'm sorry, I'm not taking seriously, who still against me, themselves and others seeks to put into the exact opposite of this obvious mechanism.
A much worse can sometime also a turning witness: That is true. Almost always, but with little or no justifiable victims. Here is that although there has been no shortage of victims verily, however, by no means done. 2000 years: What? Murder and witches distilling!
Rather, the doctrine of Christ is an extreme intensification of the debt doctrine; and it was through him also not limited to a small, insignificant people: But it was global.
No matter what he actually said. We do not know. But using it in the sense of traditional and believed FIG.
I will probably be portrayed as the bad guy again or Ohngeistige or both and so on, because I say so. So what. Ass the robber. One has to do it.
Probably Jesus himself has not already been good for much.
But that's not the point.
(The one with the hot euro is not in vain almost all Christians. Well, a few Jews among them. What wonderful. Guilt and debts are now times their business.)
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You must learn to differentiate here.
Jesus' teachings and dogmas of the pyramidal-hierarchical religion power constructs are as light and shadow.
The former knows today a little more because of satanism from the Vatican they fully recognized and has reversed to obtain and expand their own power.
Original sin, original sin, original sin, etc. has nothing to do with Jesus and springs from the diabolical spirit ...
Be recognized that originally pure doctrines, and perverted verquert, is indeed a common practice ...
@ Dude
Had that original sin, original sin, original sin, etc. nothing to do with Jesus, to me only once a show. This will only constantly maintained.
It triggers the alleged statements of this man only that out as one pleases, writes to the rest of forgeries, Paul, the Church. Clear: And I'm stupid.
Some glorify Jesus even as Aryans, who had also never died on the cross. The main thing, Jesus was loving and fits into the respective wannabe image.
This is so tragic as ridiculous. We know nothing, but has to exculpate the evil Church and Jesus as a projection. A very flat surface.
It simply refers to the scriptures, the fallen one, as genuine, the other, the less beautiful, you simply declared as faked. As it does not work. Using me.
2000 years after him tell only mass people, that they had so long not understood him correctly, pick out what they in useful, tell me that I must learn to differentiate.
Times was Jesus Spaceman, times of the Hebrews, who wanted to set up everything for the better, sometimes penitents, sometimes Aryans times a transdimensionales beings, sometimes a mixture of all this: no matter what, the main thing is that it fits into the picture. How should I take seriously?
And then getting the joke, I just do not really understand because I did not want to understand it properly, I'll already understand yet, often garnished (in your case, not yet) so I will otherwise go into perdition. However, since the rest goes with it zuwenigst for the most part a long time back. So no me terrifying threat.
Osho (Baghwan) was also fully sander. Total insight. What's Sheela has inflicted them he got just nothing with. He was chauffeured around in his senseless Rolls-Roycen thousands idiot, a common AIDS-delusion, as each one, but that also does nothing. He remains the greatest. Those were just all the so turn almost all who did not understand him correctly in his self-generated cult of personality.
Since I prefer to stay as stupid and unspiritual as I am. In such a context I could almost consider as an honorary title to be "unspiritual" welcomed; but that would also be a mistake; for how should my people blame everything from their perception and thought, what does not fit their beliefs, evaluate my speech, I hereby apply only a somehow remarkable for me inverted praise partakers can?
Here everything is floating just messed up. Nothing has hand and foot. For those who benefit from perfect.
I said here once that I consider Jesus a great teacher of wisdom; perhaps he was too; but I will not repeat that. With no small probability that is likely to have been the one misjudgment. In my weakness to attribute my good nature. The error is made; I can only forgive me himself.
As long as no one tells me anything dawiderstehende-part, the first two sentences above shall apply.
@ Dude
Sometimes I have a good mind to tell people the most holy, that in the next ten years would die two thirds of humanity in brain fungus. Even if I had accidentally perhaps even right. And I am the truth, the way and the life. The rest of me is not following in the bucket anyway.
As the satire may well follow.
Why, I ask you, this kind pearls irresponsible-graus verbratene shit broth as those of AIDS because of people like Osho simply from?
I know why.
But I ask you anyway.
Magnus
Prove me wrong. :-D
Sometimes, dear Magnus, you really disgust me. ;-)
I love you anyway. :-)
And apropos Hirnpilz: https://dudeweblog.wordpress.com/2013/03/19/elektrosmog-und-handystrahlung-als-zerstorer-des-lebens/
Ps. The Bible was corrupted by Satanists so (from Constantine, Council of Nicea), that it bases its power structure. It has nothing to do with Jesus. The next is probably still the Sermon on the Mount.
@ Dude
Usually is called to prove something at least put forward ingenious arguments, claiming something. Not applicable for people who glorify Jesus and Osho, of course. As to lead their name in the mouth enough.
And that over which questioned this, it arrived when he is told that he disgusted one.
So do you react to a certain extent according to circumstances entirely normal.
Magnus
Exactly. And since you're the Behaupter, proof times. :-P
Can otherwise yes my old comments on the topic of God Father Mother by seeing or daily also talk –> https://dudeweblog.wordpress.com/category/gottvatermutter/ & https://dudeweblog.wordpress.com/category/liebelicht-2/
Ps. No pearls before swine.
@ Dude
I widere log in "No pearls before swine", over in the other strand: "But in lack of understanding about the differentiation between the true divine law and the satanic dogmas pyramidal-hierarchical Are structures of religious systems, and in extremist and verabsolutierender stubbornness Deluded capable of doing this probably not understand ... "
So I was also blinded in extremist and verabsolutierender stubbornness.
Dear Dude: Please see here from the other this kind of tirades. I do not want to pour more oil on the fire by which I record each appropriate now.
You do not seem to realize that you abgibst a living proof of my theses with your ad hominem specious arguments themselves.
I will respond to you neither here nor in the other strand henceforth, you should continue this style.
Whatever ... I will anyway not comment here.
I just read this threat here. I am quite Dudes opinion and Magnus refuses to take it objectively here. With the Totschalgargument "proofs times" he finished an important debate.
Pity. Not that it would be impossible to prove, but someone who says "proofs times" has actually been "proven" that he will not tolerate any questioning of his theses. And then comes the latest inclined as to whether it is worth the effort.
Literature on the corruption of early Christianity gibs genugf. It would be futile to try it at this point, if someone is so verhement in resistance.
@ Uwe
Soso. So now I got even with the killer argument "proves once".
I have very clearly shown that the legacy of Jesus (which the image can only be done by him) has exacerbated the matter seriously with the debt.
Then comes the Brusttone the conviction of had nothing to do with all this shit. Who the regard even possible (much of the popular lore suggests then, but it was then yes each counterfeited that you know exactly, but it can not prove) that I understood nothing, was blinded, etc. Yes: Because say I, you want me to prove the times or at least make convincing arguments for this claim. (Incidentally, you have yourself put forward some Thither oriented, Jesus was probably not escape his son's ratio in a fatal way. Otherwise Strange.)
And if it is now you too much effort into this "threat" (funny prescriber), I have no problem with it.
Popular error Correct spelling Explanation
Threat thread during the "thread" (engl. Thread) is a sequence of messages in a mailing list or web forum on the same subject, called "threat" as much as "threat, threat, danger".
= D
OK. With my pointed assertion, you would not respond to these differences, I have done you wrong.
I "sum up" :)
There is that which is made of Jesus.
There are Jesus and his father conflict (logical, yes denied by the mother), he tries to solve and must fail to transcend him (because he is unsolvable).
There is the Jesus story is a myth.
There is the cult of personality that implements a "legal" Redeemer delusion, the current (repulsive) legitimized dependencies and power relations.
There are those of us who struggle to interpret and understanding and truth as Jesus.
@ Uwe
Well then, this works with reading, while still Dude abkottert about me, with you, if you just want to, yet.
= D Well, what works for me finding the common factual basis with my colleagues truth seekers :)
Why should I insist on my point of view, when he removed me from the common between us? Then he is worth nothing.
Only, I have to enter a covenant with you, but only a little (!) On law-who-want to miss. Always a good practice not to end as the picture of Jesus. ... ;)
@ Uwe
I accept now as a precaution all here:
"= D Well, what works for me finding the common factual basis with my colleagues truth seekers :)
Why should I insist on my point of view, when he removed me from the common between us? Then he is worth nothing.
Only, I have to enter a covenant with you, but only a little (!) On law-who-want to miss. Always a good practice not to end as the picture of Jesus. ... ;) "
A real find of halbsublimen, normal values of embarrassment loose-border forms of Esodiplomatie. I like it very much. Quite creative. At the craftsmanship may be yet to file, even on clear Pulling the basic idea, but, nevertheless, talented.
"To be able to surely have a two in this discipline must be noted that in such a short texts at least three imaginary towards the finish implications, although cleverly different, but not totally obvious, were interspersed.
Hinwiederum is the skill of the placement and implementation of those implications just yet to look again very critical in terms of the basic duty; I can under the strokes, possibly with some benevolence, my evaluation colleagues like wanting to make active again for discussion, only with a conscience very worst - No! not satisfactory, Mr! - Just recommend a plenty.
We finally have a reputation to uphold. "
@ Magnus:
Of course he likes it. Finally, you want to keep to themselves. A blog is no place for other things, but a place of slaughter! All who expect something else be punished. Not open, you will be so let it be said nothing. (We are so inteligent). It's about the thing and that is to defend at all costs.
That with the prevention of Geseiers nothing came. He kept it by itself not.
Now I finally understand Jesus.
@ Magnus
Jesus is a phenomenon. It appeared, rolled all around, including our era. Atheists is the phenomenon enemy and friend at the same time. For Christians it is only friend, for the Antichrist only enemy. The nihilist is already there, where others are still trying added. Nothing is! But everything revolves around Jesus. The great teacher of wisdom, the phenomenon brings together either people or apart. Or is nothing!
What Jesus has since taken the world for a great wisdom teachings? To love one's enemies and to hate his friends for?
If Jesus was not resurrected in his own flesh from the dead, then his whole theory is not even a mustard seed worth. Provide evidence, no one can us. One must believe it or leave it. Who makes it, who is not saved according to the Christian faith - Alone this setting to the Jesus phenomenon is an absurdity. De evidence to provide, whether it is saved if Jesus devotes itself entirely, nobody can.
Faith alone makes it true. But what is faith? Faith is nothing! Faith is not tangible, faith is a phenomenon in itself. Believe you can do everything or nothing. Nothing is!
If not, can there be a phenomenon Jesus?
The Scripture says, the Christians always say, God says, Jesus carried out his will. The will is everything!
I have a will of their own, I should give up for Jesus by the will of God. Without own will, I am nothing.
The state also found this phenomenon well, that he is also trying to break the will of the individual. To break the will of a people, but is a crime. A person can not break his will, which is a phenomenon. By the state, it is considered a crime by God also. Either it leads to expulsion or imprisonment.
Does anyone in purchase, then that is a phenomenon. A phenomenon before the many other anxiety.
Jesus was his breaking of his father, as he followed him as a faithful servant until death. Jesus made himself as naught as an independent phenomenon free will itself.
From other wanted (?) He, she followed him into this nothingness. You tatens not, as we know. The phenomenon needs faith, which is itself a phenomenon in order to be able to continue to live. That the belief that Jesus is risen, for over 2000 years still persists, is a phenomenon.
It can only exist because Jesus kührte the largest wisdom teacher who has ever lived - Did he really lived, where he has had no will of its own? Because he always did the will of his father, a phenomenon that exists as the Bible. The word is a phenomenon! No one knows if it is true what is written, but the Christians take it on as if God himself speak. Another phenomenon that no one is able to explain.
If someone says that he rejects Jesus, then this is immediately someone evil - an antichrist. Show me only a true Christian - does not work! - Because that would be a phenomenon. Show me only a true Antichrist - does not work! - Because that would also be a phenomenon.
Show me the risen Jesus. It is possible! - He is seated at the right hand of His Father in heaven above.
Why is he coming not down to us on the earth? You can not, because that would indeed be a phenomenon.
You just have to believe what you can not see and then it becomes visible.
Let us just save. We simply believe that phenomena are real. The year zero proves it yet.
Zero is nothing but -
it can be wonderful to stay in the void insofar as these are enough phenomena to which you can believe.
@ Uwe
Great! You understand now the Jesus, I for the Uwe.
@ Jochen
Interesting considerations.
@ Jochen: Jesus is a phenomenon, like you and me. The effect is, however, from a lack-imagined, manipulated picture of Jesus. Everyone goes in resonance with what to do with him and his subjects. Each interpreted and projected onto Jesus, what he / she confirms his / her construction of reality. This creates a collective field, fed from an image that we make ourselves. This is probably the dynamics of religion, when ideology / dogma.
Should consider the dynamics of this field probably be content this Thraeds. However, the issue seems to me to miss, as long as you're dealing with people at their Jesus (enemy) hold image. Then you get into the contemplation of the relationship does not go beyond its own projection. And it would have been useful, the projections once to look at, instead of giving her unbedingete validity.
Jesus failed. In the councils he was later stylized as heroes. However, it is neither savior nor savior, but messenger. It is not about believing in him, but to deal with it as a myth, to put the contents of the message of Jesus story auseiannder. I find here, however, no basis for this, because the lack of spirituality propagated so proud of blogger proves myopia, which makes the discussion on a spiritual level, quite impossible. Before I to the flattening of this thread "complicit do", I hold dear the door. And on peudointellektuelles ramblings I have no desire eh ...
@ Magnus: Another one of faith. ... = D Where you take only your safety from?
@ Uwe
Read.
@ Note: Thorwald Dethlefsen, who is incidentally died in 2011, has kept a very interesanaten lecture on the myth Jesus. This just occurred to me and in my research I came straight to the obituary.
I think he's one of the great thinkers of our time, his ability to think in analogies, in vertical dimensions, awarded him. Thank Thorwald for your work.
If you are interested, I can send you to this lecture.
Magnus: I read and come across inconsistencies and contradictions in your thoughts. However, I must also admit that I have no desire to make this now all over. That would turn into a hermeneutic scientific work, puhhhh ...
I just will not clear your attitude. You read you like a soliloquy, I do not want somehow go deep, stay closer to the thing to which I thought it's about them.
I think that Jesus was a failure. Since we can not deal with failure in our society, he was later cast as heroes.
This appears with the essence of dargstellten of you "problem" to the historical Jesus and the cult / the effect of this picture of him. On this level is also quite simply much clear why the Jesus cult leaders had in the cul de sac, as well as Jochen wrote above.
Now we can ever describe the problem persists, or start looking at the Jesus story from a different perspective. Because the wrong perspective, it is indeed acting as fatal.
This seems to me not possible here. There is simply the limit, because you would have to away from whining about the failure of Jesus and his subsequent glorification, by the failure of our society is also eliminated.
Incidentally, I have also written here, where and how I see a way to do this. ... READ.
https://unzensiert.zeitgeist-online.de/2013/03/17/von-der-christen-urluge/comment-page-1/#comment-191222
@ Uwe
I'm glad you you on my account, after the flattening of the things you had to have cost over the measure here, not even aufhalst a hermeneutical work to do so.
My sympathy keeps nevertheless limited.
And, I have not tired of your constant insinuations garnished with now, otherwise contour loose talk.
You say ultimately only, all the time, alswie a prayer wheel that is not fool with me to talk. Just something verzockter than before the Dude.
Enough: such is no longer interested me.
OK :)
@ Uwe
Although I share most of your point of view, I would like to say the following but something else:
"I find here, however, no basis for this, because the lack of spirituality propagated so proud of blogger proves myopia, which makes the discussion on a spiritual level, quite impossible."
Magnus is quite an honorable individual, and is in many things also very wise, educated and, even if he likes to deny that, in my opinion. also much more spiritual than he wants to admit. He can be very beneficial effect and is a great mentor.
I just fear he has a certain Jesus phobia, might make it difficult to impossible founding in adventure-prone characteristics, giving it a sophisticated approach to this issue (and another two or three more).
Personally, I will in any case of such issues in the future just stay out here.
Magnus
Do you have a response.
@ Dude
You have with you also answer.
This applies.
Enough Sandelei.
Jesus had to overcome his father, must break the law. The question is whether it has actually made. Because yes divorce obviously the spirits. If I here a clear and simple language is allowed:
I think so. But for this he had to accept the failure and helplessness (The abyss opened up "Why have you forsaken me?"; He also broke that bond and conscience). He took the failure? It took his disciples? We know that his favorite disciple is also failed. The successor took it and what was made of it?
In Monomyth yes go again and again to the failure, I think for example of Iron John, which was quite outstanding interpreted by Robert Bly. We need analogical thinking:
What does it mean when we understand that Jesus Cross as an image of failure and not of sacrifice, or the "salvation"? What does it mean for the "faith", which would be the consequences for the "religious" self-reference and for your own soul work? Wahrscheinlkich that we must recognize that we can not go do when we take the law of competition (our fathers) from generation to generation. ...
Yes, capitalism would be in "danger" if we decrypt the Jesus myth.
The Jesus story must be "read". Myths must be decrypted. Only at this level we're getting somewhere. ... my opinion.
"... The resurrected Jesus. It is possible! - He is seated at the right hand of His Father in heaven above ".
The Egyptians as well as the Jews were and are nothing more than stars (picture) worshipers.
The father is the planet Jupiter, and sits at the right hand or is the planet Saturn. The Saturn is called the Chaldean Satur what bull means and he has the numerical value of the 666th
The mother is of course the sun. The human figure this is the Virgin Mary, who gave the Son to the earth life. It means a story you came up with and the appropriate human performer procured for it. At that time over 2000 years ago, people were not dumber than today. If today people still believe in the miracles of Jesus, the Messiah, and that only he can save them, how much more must there only people then who even suffered under the thumb of the Römer, away to Jesus their faith in ecstasy have?
Did Jesus rise from the dead or he is not it?
Matthew 27: 51And behold, the veil of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom, and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split. 52Und the graves were opened, and many bodies of the saints were on 53And came forth out of the tombs after his resurrection, and went into the holy city and appeared to many.
At the time therefore should be walking around in Jerusalem zombies. Where were all these dead? Seats they now all on the left of the Father in heaven? Life they still or are they eventually died again?
I have dealt long and hard with the Bible, as well as with the person of Jesus. I've talked with a lot of Christians and read many posts on Christian blogs. Instead it would have always brought me closer to Jesus, it meant that I was always further away from him.
Today I also read the story of creation in the Bible differently and I came for me to conclude that it was so as it stands together sealed completely illogical and people.
Basically, the theme Jesus has done perfectly for me. I recognize it in but that others want to keep their faith in him. May they be happy with it or stay.
A word to the manna that came from heaven. Erich von Däniken believes aliens have brought the Israelites manna machine A, which would have then produced SOMETHING (a staple), which then around 1.2 million Israelites had lived for years in the desert. This manna machine would then later a temple was built and then they would eventually disappeared.
Erich von Däniken, an intelligent person who has it so figured as a reality for himself and he is convinced that it is also true. Similarly, he explained as the thing that has been described by Ezekiel in his book, as one trip device to have come from outer space.
Space, the final frontier - there must be a few aliens who have surely visited our world there somewhere. Yes, so says von Daniken, who even made us human.
The spirit of man, the final frontier, where no man has gone before ...
It's not but I will have to devote myself strengthened in the future of philosophy.
Colossians 2: 8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Everything is forbidden, has always attracted me, unless it was in conformity with my will.
Paul wants to (what he means by "empty deception"?), That thinking in Christ, I think he means the doctrine ceases. If something stops, it means stop; Stagnation means death. Paul is dead, but I'm still alive.
At my favorite bloggers Magnus, best regards!
@ Jochen
Thank you!
@ Uwe
Yes, reading helps. And it could be, in fact, capitalism in danger.
dear Magnus
What was so angry at my text, that he had to be censored?
Reading your answer also like on my mail.
Gruss Armin
@ Armin
Ich sah nichts “Böses” darin. Ich habe auch einige Zeit nachgedacht. Es stand aber ein Satz da, den ich durchaus als freie Meinungsäußerung ansähe, zumal richtig verstanden (zu Abrahamiten und Menschen), aber als potentiell gar zu übel wider Dich wie mich potentiell umzuinterpretieren einschätzte.
Es tut mir leid, dass ich da, nach einigem Bedenk, nicht freischaltete. Kommt hier fast nie vor.
Wenn Du den Satz rauslässt oder entsprechend modifizierst, Deinen Kommentar entsprechend nochmal schickst, werde ich ihn gerne freigeben, sobald ich wieder am Rechner bin.
Ich habe auch den Satz, denke ich, richtig verstanden. Ich habe für mich selbst kein Problem damit.
Nähmest Du den Anlauf nochmal, so freute ich mich sehr.
Ich zensiere wirklich nicht gerne.
Die Sprache ist tückisch. Ich gebe Dir Recht. Leider habe ich nichts abgespeichert und stehe somit wieder vor dem Nichts.
Die Bibel ist ein Machwerk aus dem 15 Jh. Erasmus lässt grüssen.
Alles davor waren viele Fragmente, von vielen Fabrikanten, mit vielen Richtungen. Siehe Evangelisten!
Man hat damals eine Auswahl getroffen. Das heisst nicht, dass die „Echten“ ausgewählt wurden und es heisst auch nicht das Gegenteil, wenn es denn überhaupt etwas Echtes gab.
Likewise komt the chronology of the history of this period. One may safely say it was invented. Finally, this planet had a -unsere- history.
Since that time until the present day, there are scientists and historians, the One saying to all. "Un-sere story is fantasy with snow".
On Sachlichtsten this conclusion is confirmed by Kammeier. Anyone who wants to deal with history and the wah-rem value seriously, komt not around this man. Through him they learned to speak yet, how it came to this story that we have today.
Short and sweet:. Everything was before the 14th century, is unknown to us. What we learn in school and at universities is nonsense, is not worth the paper it is written on.
Inset:. All history since the 15th century is so far true, as she has known the interests of the ruling classes of our days as genuine. -
Historically, there is no evidence of Jesus nor his disciples etc. etc.
We see religion in the sense of recollection or reminiscence, the topic is already checked and approved to forget.
Now we have left the philosophical and political view of the Bible and thus of the Lord Jesus, as the main character.
Here we take a guiding principle of this work to scale. – An Ihren Früchten – Werken – werdet ihr sie erkennen!
Das Christentum ist eine Religion aus dem Hause Abraham, wie auch das Judentum und der Islam – Geschwis-terreligionen – oder aus einer Werkstatt. Diese Religionen und oder Sekten bekämpfen sichauch gern gegensei-tig, je nach dem, wie „man“ es gerade braucht!
Die Merkmale des Christentums sind missionarische Tätigkeit, Intoleranz, und Erbarmungslosigkeit.
Allein in Europa fanden ca. 20 Milionen Menschen den Tod nur durch die Inquisition. Wie man tot schlägt, war den frommen Christen sehr wichtig (Hexenhammer). Alles geschah im Namen Jesus. Er ist verantwortlich! Er machte durch seine Existenz – im Roman Bibel – dieses Morden erst möglich.
Die in seinem Namen Erschlagenen gehen in die hunderte Millionen.
Was ich nicht verstehe ist, wie Menschen, die von sich sagen, sie seien vernünftig, wissend dieser Tatsachen, sich Christen nennen können!