The announcement of Turkey to escort aid ships to Gaza with warships, can hardly fail because of Israel a threat of war to be construed.
I do not want to speculate about why Turkey goes so far - I'm assuming that is the Turks realize what they get that right - but I'm pretty sure that the Israelis for the first time in a long ass on the right Grundeis goes.
Because the Turks be trusted, that they can follow their words with deeds.
This threatens - from the NATO perspective - a kind of geopolitical Gnau (the largest non-case scenario).
Whose side will you suggest in this case?
All at once - well, not quite suddenly, gradually since the scandal in Davos - has become of the sand engined flagship Muslim Erdogan a completely unreliable.
Which, however, in its policy of confrontation with Israel probably the overwhelming majority of Turks behind white.
At the same time there is a crash in Egypt.
The Israeli embassy is flat.
From Syria, we do not know much, except that it happens violently there.
Particularly delicate the situation is that Turkey has recently openly threatened Syria with war.
A spark, and the thing can go incalculable in the air.
With extensions regarding Libya, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq, etc.
The NATO powers have lost control.
Even the suspicion that the new (old) rulers in Egypt, the Israeli embassy protected not too eager suggests itself.
Saudi Arabia can not bail out there.
No matter how many you can chop off hands and heads home.
The strategy of NATO's "new order" in North Africa and the Middle East is suddenly short of failure.
Eventually, it will give you even possibly a war too much, dear world folder.
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September 9, 2011 - 7:01 - Integrated
This is a translation error again. Does that on purpose to set the mood heat the press ??
Erdogan has only said that in future increasingly Turkish warships will show presence in the Mediterranean and they are possibly protect the Turkish merchant ships at risk.
There was never any question that a flotilla after sent and this is accompanied by warships of the Turkish Navy. I have seen the interview with Erdogan.
http://meta.tagesschau.de/id/52771/tuerkische-kriegsschiffe-sollen-gaza-hilfe-begleiten#comment-473403
@ Berthold Bilz
From the original daily news page (link to your link):
"Erdogan wants to send Navy in Israeli waters
Turkish warships will escort Gaza aid
Prime Minister Erdogan wants to send warships in Israeli waters.
In the dispute with Israel to the Gaza aid flotilla, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has further exacerbated the sound. In future Turkish relief supplies into the Palestinian territory would be placed under the protection of warships, he told the Arabic news channel Al Jazeera.
"We have humanitarian aid to be sent there. And our humanitarian aid is no longer under attack, as has happened in the 'Mavi Marmara', "said Erdogan."
This agrees not decisively with your statement.
Nevertheless, or perhaps because of thanks for the hint.
"... Send in Israeli waters," it says.
This is not foggy, but unique.
Maybe he has the following then against Al Jazeera also did not say that.
In that case I ask for clarification.
Support Berti Bilz his statement !!! No one threatened war. Israel does not have to attack the aid flotillas.
In addition, Erdogan is not "Turkey" or unfortunately, does not represent the attitude of the Turkish military! The entire military leadership resigned last month - all at the same time! What is he regards his Muslim co-religionists very loyal and would like to appear to impose his own will and can not be bully wrong. An apology Israel was not too much to ask.
Erdogan and Assad were once good friends, so I can not imagine a war here!
As Turkey still cooperates with the Americans in the fight against the PKK, this could also be a common diversion, as well as the social unrest in Israel. As we know for a long time before Israel preparing an attack on Iran. Yesterday Tony Blair has declared Iran as "the main enemy of the West".
@ Yusuf
To unsubscribe to want to break a military blockade with warships, which can be understood, at least from the point of view of the blocking ends well as a threat of war.
Always at least if the Blocking is serious about its blockade.
I could point it at Erdogan's certainly not take the chance.
Not very smart of him this announcement.
Because if he does nothing now, losing face in front of the proud Turks.
In my opinion he has along and his country found itself a very dangerous trap.
Should he be followed by action, and the Israelis sink, so they do not turn at the last warning, its warships, he looks quite stupid from the laundry.
What he wants to do in such a case then?
Demand an apology?
Israel quell by all means?
If in doubt, Turkey has no chance against Israel.
Israel has always made it clear that it will also use its nuclear weapons if it should see as a threat to its existence.
So much so I can understand the outrage of many Turks whether the murdered countrymen: I would fall to him as compatriot in the arm as best I could.
A country like Israel, the mass begins already to some irregulars cluster bombs, depleted uranium and white phosphorus, which should all trust, even if anrückt an upgraded modern army.
So I consider this man an irresponsible gambler intolerable.
I think it's very amazing, which is exclusively seen in all conflicts Israel as the only culprit. Israel is every day for years, attacked by rockets Hezbollah, an internationally recognized terrorist organization. No one says anything to it. How can you because in a safe country, as Turkey and Germany g'ttseidank is also form an opinion about what is right and wrong, if you do not know in Israel, whether his own child from school or is in a shelter seeks refuge or even death ?! What level and impudence you put on yourself to be able to decide what is the right reaction and what is not? Whether it is a wall to protect themselves, much sharper border controls or to maintain control of all ships that want to deliver to Gaza. Israel has not blocked the delivery, but wanted to redirect calls to Haifa to verify that there are no weapons are present. If the so-called peace activists provoke sharp and mess with the military, they must reckon with the soldier responded as he is planar if it is attacked. I am against any kind of gewallt, but someone aiming must live with the consequences. Let it out a humanitarian flotilla to the Kurds send to the border area. Find the Turks determined quite funny! And which can be determined simply by going that way. Before Mr. Erdogan rages in Israel, he should examine its own policies first. he himself flies with fighter planes on unarmed people, gives them no limits, no home and discriminated against the Kurds to the strongest. Why did not he tell them? Why is he not for the good brother in faith and peace advocates?
Israel has been granted for decades against this mass of Arabs and will also record with the Turks. Without problems! The Israelis have defeated Egypt in less than 6 days. Who conquered Syria. Israel has never fought a war of aggression. Israel was always under attack. And has defended it successfully g'ttseidank. It is to demand a cheek of Israel, which they lead discussions with the Palestinians, which is obviously led by a terrorist organization. For decades, Israel is terrorized. The world is that ok. And if Israel defends itself, it is not appropriate to the world! America was attacked again and take apart half the Arab world! That's fine and legitimate! Why not negotiated Germany and America with the Taliban and why Turkey is not with the PKK? Where is the problem? Discussions are still the best?
The world is full of hypocrites! And if you read the news closely and listen, then there is a distortion of the facts, that is sick. Example: Messages in the Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung: "ISRAEL WAS WITH ROCKET fired. MERKEL FEAR NOW AN ESCALATION OF VIOLENCE! "
I beg your pardon? If Israel is bombarded with rockets is no escalation of violence ?! Only when Israel strikes back, marched, closes borders or what ever consider appropriate which is an escalation. I would be curious to see if a long-range rocket strikes from Iran in Germany and then a message that we now fear an escalation ?! SICK !!!
I am now out wanders far. Erdogan should rather not mess with a partner like Israel. That's not good for him. Just because he is snapped, he does not come to the EU, he does not play a monkey and set themselves up as a great power of the Muslims now. That takes a bitter end for him. The arm of the Mossad is long. And who has not shrunk before other people!
@ BS
I would be the last to guthieße the Turkish Kurdish policy.
That Israel has, however, never led a war of aggression, is sheer nonsense.
Business people taking their land ...
BS
"If the so-called peace activists provoke sharp and mess with the military, they must reckon with the soldier responded as he is planar if it is attacked."
You can tell that you did not take dealt with the autopsy reports that there imply that the activists were executed at close range quasi. Well-aimed shots
This means that the activists were attacked with intent to kill by the Israeli military. That they should have attacked the military is pure nonsense.
"Israel has been granted for decades against this mass of Arabs and will also record with the Turks. Without problems! The Israelis have defeated Egypt in less than 6 days. Who conquered Syria. "
This statement is actually that you have absolutely no idea of what you write. Turkey militarily compare with Egypt and Syien, not evidence of a solid knowledge.
Turkey has the second largest number of active troops in NATO. Also default number more than Egypt and Syria, not together of course. More specifically, it is the eighth largest armed forces of the earth and is one of the ten strongest worldwide.
Would it really be a war, which will never be the case, this would, however painful it may sound, mean the end of Israel.
Short Digression
The Greeks have so much like you see when British war puppet that they would make an easy walk within 2 months. And even at a time where the Turks as well as at the end were military and had to run on multiple fronts a defensive war. What happened today we know all Aggresoren were beaten and expelled.
The weakness of the military.
What concerns Israel itself is not the sole aggressor in the area! That is a fact, its own population has been against the policy that is made sick.
Magnus Wolf Göllerlifte:
Israel has not implemented a single time a war of aggression. If you want to talk back to, then call me a single example where Israel has not been actually attacked by terrorism or by the military and has only then defended - in whatever form.
On the plane, who owns the land I do not let me down and I will not lead this discussion here ... It's been clear for 63 years!
@ Donoso:
I understand the autopsy report different. And I think the Israeli side. Certainly who shot at close range. They also only shot when they were on the ship and were of the peace activists attacker. And the Israeli military, rightly, not soft and well trained, and accurate, is is not a secret. Anything you say on this subject is blind slander and personal interpretation.
Whether Israel or Turkey would gain in case of confrontation is a matter of opinion - but your line is understandable since you're obviously hostile to Israel!
The Israel the only aggressor should be in this area is sick and bold - because I will not even enter into it. Are you sure you ask Israel as the aggressor before the Hammas, before the Hisbollha in Lebanon, in Iraq and Iran, but also from Syria and Egypt recently?
Since it looks just the Relations loss due to blind hatred of Israel, which is justified in any way, except deeply anchored Antisimitismus,!
@ BS
"On the plane, who owns the land I do not let me down and I will not lead this discussion here ... It's been clear for 63 years!"
And, against Donoso:
"The Israel the only aggressor should be in this area is sick and bold - because I will not even enter into it. Are you sure you ask Israel as the aggressor before the Hammas, before the Hisbollha in Lebanon, in Iraq and Iran, but also from Syria and Egypt recently?
Since it looks just the Relations loss due to blind hatred of Israel, which is justified in any way, except deeply anchored Antisimitismus, "
Now, dear BS, you define opposite me what You have not deign to respond, because yes it is clear that it is as you say.
Then towards Donoso that you are mindful not to deal with one more thing: in order to be a matter to take it.
Afterwards you garnierst your speech, after you've placed the point of view of your opponent Parts as "sick", even with the reproach blind hatred of Israel and a deep-rooted "Antisimitismus".
Then I will not go into my hand. (Except that Arabs are Semites, alswelches for a large part of the Jews are considerable doubts - namely the Ashkenazim -: and the already twisted semantic word with an "e" writes.)
Even more generally: to establish apodictic statements to highly controversial topics that relate yes exactly the subject of the discussion under the simultaneous announcement only weigh no contradiction word, is not only a bad style of discussion, but none at all.
From me at least there is no answer, as long as you do not change your behavior.
@ Donoso
My riposte above and notice to BS you should not stop them from themselves so much as umfässlich to respond to his invective, if you want to.