9 / 11: There is still something else behind

All, all reasonable people really know that the Twin Towers in New York can not possibly have collapsed due to planes flown into it in this way, and the 47-story Building 7 of course not only been just right.

The question is this for me but for now do not know who committed the 9/11-Verbrechen like, but how can it be that the official version of this lies somehow still holds.

Normally (just in case that there is something at all) you get with such a bumbling lie even more than with the greatest effort by a few weeks.

These "stops" now but soon ten years.

Who gets to that?

Who has the power to pull it off?

Those who dare to be so by keeping a lie?

Kollektivverblödet as we are, for us as kollektivverblödet must hold because someone cope now?

Even the fact that millions believe the official nonsense no longer grow up so far no consequences.

You choose or just continue right until the green warmongers.

Bombardier party or another world.

There is only one logical conclusion.

It's something we have not yet realized that still goes much further.

A power that can even prevent us from even knowing if we already have.

At least of reasonable consequent actions.

We need to be manipulated Seppel grenades.

Otherwise can not go on.

We are so stupid that we do not even seem to help Erkenntis.

And there must be people who feel its safe to keep it that way: the set on it.

Why are so confident that we will not even realize what we already know?

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33 Responses to "9 / 11: There is still something else behind it"

  1. Föhnix says:

    "... How can it be that the official version of this lies somehow still holds."

    I view this as the decisive point, dear Magnus.

    It is the pivotal point at all, not just the issue of 9 / 11. Even with the "humanitarian wars", the sale of entire countries, the collective re-education, the alternative non-political disenfranchisement, and, and, and ...

    It seems not even to come out, that all are truly convinced of the official version. It seems sufficient to make clear to the majority with enough emphasis, what is the official truth of what she has to believe.

    The collective psyche seems to have easy-to-use lever that can be operated with the right propaganda. Was not that not many times in many countries for many times the case that there was a widely accepted truth and a strong public private opinion of them deviant? A considerable part of the German population, it has indeed experienced first-hand that one at work and on the streets collectively condemned the West for the evening to pay homage to the couch to the television Western.

    I was moved several times over the mouth when I spoke of co-ordination of the media. I just do not fit their concept. However, de facto, it is nevertheless true that there is a review unit, which is represented by 95% of the media and disseminated. Of course, the propaganda in recent decades has been greatly optimized and cloaked. The 5% opposing opinion you can treat yourself as well as a certain opinion corridor - which is then sold as freedom of speech.

    What on 9 / 11 is still to come, is a special emotional component. The event had to be so big and shocking that it could block the global thinking for some time largely. In this period, the necessary programming is set, it was definitely a kind of mass hypnosis.

    Sometimes I even wonder if there is not even much infamous agents are used, one has heard of all kinds of radiation and chemicals that would qualify as eligible.

  2. Magnus Wolf Goeller says:

    @ Föhnix

    The question remains, who can be sure how such power.

    It seems almost absurd.

    But it is so.

    We'll figure it out.

  3. Föhnix says:

    @ Magnus

    An important factor could be this principle, which is already used successfully in other areas. It is the abuse of institutionalized compassion. It creates a myth of victimization, it prevents the so-labeled group as perpetrators perceive, or even to criticize them. Thus, every, a critic of injustice is being pushed, he was in fact a supporter of injustice. Turning against apartheid, so they mocked Nazi victims and Israel. Monsanto & Co. criticizes you, do you support the starving of the world population does not taste any of the gender illusion, one is a rapist, criticizing one Internet monitoring, so you support child molesters and people do not believe the 9/11-Mythos, it's just a friend of terrorists.

  4. Magnus Wolf Goeller says:

    @ Föhnix

    You have revealed an important mechanism of action.

    Shall run das.

  5. Armin says:

    @ Magnus Wolf Goeller
    @ Föhnix
    Very interesting comments. Since my NLP comes to mind, a strange Technick. NLP, which among other things based on the principle of classical conditioning (Pavlov), called in NLP anchors are, in my opinion a good look at currently used techniques of manipulation of the media, politicians, advertising, etc.

    "The event had to be so big and shocking that it could block the global thinking for some time largely. In this period, the necessary programming is set, it was definitely a kind of mass hypnosis. "
    That's how I see it too! The issue raised by Magnus victim myth is central to 11.9 additional element.

  6. Magnus Wolf Goeller says:

    @ Armin Föhnix

    Most people are almost pathetic Hirnis.

    So far.

    At least three serious and determined to make but also thoughts.

    We are well on our way.

  7. Dude says:

    I can only connect me Phoenix!
    He brings the key points discussed.
    Who are the financial flows, the media, the science instrumentalized religion, politics, etc. are controlled controlled, ultimately - by pulling the right strings - the masses!
    The ideology, which is placed in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion on the day - completely divorced from the question of authenticity or any racist banter - illustrates this the best way.
    Thank you Phoenix

  8. Föhnix says:

    @ Dude

    Thank you, but I have absolutely nothing with these protocols on their hats. It does not matter to me whether they are authentic (which is doubtful) is. Just the mention kills any debate and discredits the Truther movement. Just as going counter-information warriors before, if they want to bring a discussion into disrepute.

    My party had times book documents a case where zoffte in a comment thread is a strikingly anti-Semitic occurring participants with a vehement defender of Israel. The admin could show by means of IP addresses that these contributions were made by the same person.

    See also:

    Conspiracy on the artificial turf - Reframing 9 / 11
    Cleavage and destruction of a grass roots movement?

    (I do not agree with all statements in this article, but he shows very clearly the major psycho-techniques such as contamination, reframing and disinformation.)

    If you, dear Dude, the mention of these protocols only out of ignorance of such mechanisms have taken, I strongly recommend you reading this article.

  9. Magnus Wolf Goeller says:

    @ All

    Something else is considered the long line of "False Flag Operations" soherum least a good sign, as that seems to need these.

    Just for fun you instigate them to not.

    Overall, I have the impression that some gentlemen have quite a hurry.

    It seems not everything is perfect to walk to Pike's veteran plan, as desired.

  10. Magnus Wolf Goeller says:

    @ Dude

    I must agree with Föhnix.

    Without you want to scold.

    Even the public mention of that Unbuches is usually counterproductive.

    Even if one admits that he knows it, he quickly comes to the journalistic purgatory.

    Anyone who thinks at all, because what drinstehen have any relation to reality, the ratzfatz loses its so-called human rights.

    So I do not know, because I know exactly what you should not read.

    I've only heard rumors of people who paid no heed this commandment. (Mind you on several corners)

    Some of which, amazingly, still live well.

  11. Joseph of Ahoris says:

    Dear Magnus,

    You have an inimitable style, others to be able to explain something, without her ever noticed.

    "Why are so confident that we will not even realize what we already know?"

    I think, is that not only 9 / 11 of the case, but also in terms of Christianity.

    For nearly 2000 years the Christians to wait for something to happen, namely that Jesus comes back for a second time. During his lifetime, Jesus once said to people:

    Mark 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, there are some of those standing here who shall not taste death until they see the kingdom of God come with power.

    Already in the year AD 30 was then attempted to set the second coming of Jesus at a specified future day. Now that the times again threaten to become worse, since these expectations resumes and already almost monstrous forms. It looks like trying to write or to speak to whom Jesus brought his white cloud.

    "It's something we have not yet realized that still goes much further."

    What does "the lot is wider"? Is the simplest logic is not always the best?
    The entire book of Revelation is understood that it refers to the end, so on a supposedly still coming great tribulation, and even what should end with the destruction of the world, but fortunately are being created by God shortly thereafter a new world to. Jesus is the center of the entire history of salvation of the Christians and he himself has already in his lifetime also seen the same way.

    Matthew 11:12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and those that violence take it by force.

    How Jesus must have felt that time? As such, there is the oppression by the Romans, the assassination of John the Baptist, that He, Jesus, wanted always to the leather, just because He proclaimed the truth publicly. Jesus indeed represented the kingdom of heaven, even if he has not even considered the kingdom of heaven. And he predicted his crucifixion and resurrection, even if the other time before then this is really happening, have not understood what Jesus prophesied to them. With the words "tear at it ..." so that Jesus pointed out earlier on his arrest and conviction.

    So then Jesus died on the cross and then, as it says in the Bible, he came back as a spirit of truth. How it is when a person is born? Then he comes for the first time in this world here, right? Then a person dies, just as it did Jesus. Then he is gone from this world here. Then came Jesus, because He rose from the dead. What number was coming, then?

    "A power that can even prevent us from even knowing if we already have."

    Which means "if we have it already?" That we have already seen it, but it may not have understood? Otherwise you do indeed destroy the whole power construct the church, their power alone can get this straight, that the man is fooling and they are kept constantly in hope for the second coming of Jesus, and they therefore bear a good boy all you dares to be expected of them as "freedom of slaves living" in?

    Have we not the same sophisticated play before us, what the men behind the 9 / 11 trade with us?

    Thus Christians are always a good boy and continue to wait for the second coming of Jesus to the Romans was written in 13th Because if they raise their heads and some games, it will be immediately referred to the letter of Saint Paul and the Chapter 13. Oddly, it was Paul who spoke only on the coming "rapture", which can be hit with cheat death, which many Christians are still waiting. And yes there is also this verse in the Bible:

    Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no one, not even the angels in heaven, but my Father only.

    But that said Jesus was BEFORE he was arrested and crucified. But many Christians refer to the connection with the revelation of something that will stand still to this day, namely the second coming of Jesus.

    "Even the fact that millions believe the official nonsense no longer grow up so far no consequences."

    Exactly the same happens but also in the world of faith. Many have ceased to believe that Jesus will come again, even more have even stopped believing in God. Because so far it has indeed no consequences. So it simply remains each man, as it has always been the case, left to themselves, to believe in life after death or not to do it.

    That's also not where to draw the people from the power of hope. Them it's just a matter of maintaining their power and wealth. For if the free slaves one day behind them came, as they all are cheated and lied, and this can be done most easily with the Christians who see the absolute for the truth, which is in Bible verses, or with non-believers who hold that for truth what is in the Bild newspaper, while a few rascals the people and the world have full control. And so that everything remains as it is, those who have known the truth, shunned, silenced, as stupid or mentally ill represented, deprived of their legal capacity, with a trauma provided (which may be administered in the simplest way humans), or quite simply been left aside, and then are decried as a bum. If you just take it, then Jesus was for the Pharisees also nothing more than a bum, which you could then get rid of even slightly.

    But Jesus was at the end of the victory, because the Spirit of truth, is come to Him in this world here, who can no longer be removed from the world.

    "Who dares to be so by keeping a lie?"

    Is it not necessary to hold that the present rulers, their big lies. But make sure to volunteer to those who are being lied to perfect. Because these are terrified to admit that their whole life to nothing more than a mirage based, which has been given to them by a few in various forms. In contrast with what makes us all to rebel, is not so, Christians in Romans 13 engages immediately, and attacks on infidels else that has one of them left of their minds yet and is designated by law and order, but basically also did is not. Because real human dignity and what his previous authoritative for Christianity would, that true charity, it is something completely alien to our system.

  12. Armin says:

    @ Magnus Wolf Goeller

    "It does not seem to run everything so perfect after veteran Pikes plan, as requested."
    Therein lies our hope. The False Flag accumulation has at least point out that I agree. How quickly they have it, how quickly the whole thing is exactly why they are in a hurry and what is the target date because I'm unclear. Since you have obviously never read, never stop learning and is, sadly, never finished it ... confused

    "Anyone who thinks at all, because what drinstehen any relation to reality, which loses its so-called human rights ratzfatz have."
    Aptly. There are so many conspiracies minefields that you soon will not know where you should already sufficiently, without burning your fingers.

    I see this with the information personally very open and read by me through a lot. I put a big question mark against whether discredit any articles or comments that "conspiracy theorists" or - accreditation - God forbid.

    Everyone was thirsty for knowledge, or much more needs to be able to pick up his knowledge where he finds it personally, zusammenzuknobeln his own puzzle - and eliminated nonsense. As such Pamplets like Mentioned are not dangerous to anyone.

    Unless you read such things and believe it blindly. But then the reader has a very basic problem.

    My problem is, however, that discussions are often choked with anxious whether the illusory fear of what it is doing, whether you write this or that. Try, as a (semi) blind dog on a legendary grit, then you're lucky - and probably Fleiss - had.

    Otherwise, this special ends this particular theory or idea of ​​being on the garbage heap of the information universe. Because otherwise nothing will happen ... in the sense: If it does not help, so it does not hurt.

    The research will be an invitation to lie, bad, infantile write off - but only one vote to open debate on controversial topics!

  13. Magnus Wolf Goeller says:

    @ Joseph

    As a Christian I would have totally agree with you, and I'm almost there too. (It is with the difference that I believe Jesus to be one of several great teachers of wisdom)

    I am very pleased how patient and well formulated to bring you here your views.

    And I'm learning here alongside a lot about the Bible and its exegesis possible, and hopefully others too.

    LG

  14. Magnus Wolf Goeller says:

    @ Armin

    The whole course is really quite a jungle where some get lost easily.

    For most - I mean that Joseph now explicitly not - in which the thing takes a sad ending, this is done in such a way that they more or less manic dig into a belief that gives them an illusion of security then.

    This is simply the easiest "solution".

    It has been apparent certainty and an associated stable image of the enemy.

    So all the young mind needs (or the fig, it is often the same).

    On this keyboard is also played as a virtuoso, there are boulders thrown purposefully, is 10% lie below 90% truth mixed etc.

    Föhnix has indeed been an illustrious example of how something is done, among other things.

    You can also sort out over time very well, check to learn to explore their path.

    And reveal just trolls and other (purchased) Desinformanten over short or long, if you read closely and think.

    You need to run their agenda somehow, to fulfill its mission.

  15. Armin says:

    @ Joseph of Ahoris
    "But still going to volunteer to provide those who are being lied to perfect. Because these are terrified to admit that their whole life to nothing more than a mirage based, which has been given to them by a few in various forms. "
    The lies addict! The fear Partner!

    The whole mountain lies repressed infantile and must be hochgekotzt house of cards collapses of so-called reality. This fear of the admission of the big lie is the greatest obstacle of all.

    Anxiety - both for the inner world and lies in front of the outer, from terror, war, isolation, loss of livelihood, reprisals if they acted up, etc. etc. - the primary motivation of his slaves many generations. And the placement of this fear leads to the well too powerful an addiction to the frightening, a deep fear of making the sadistic addiction.

    Lies and fear are in mutual symbiosis, the cornerstone of the "reality"

  16. Armin says:

    @ Magnus Wolf Goeller
    That's an interesting aspect and probably I am aware of the danger that can "faith" go out, not really aware. I appreciate your articles about religious issues, etc. are very esoteric.

    I even tend to make too simple-minded nostrums and truths in question have also developed a total immunity against false authorities.

    If one simply does not create, of something or someone to be a fan, but as free-thinking (or at least thinking free trial end) sees individual is at least one long-term persistence in a "faith" very unrealistic.

    I can understand the position of atheists and "believing in God" - as long as it is not affected my personal freedom. I believe in God in the sense that I wished it did exist - and (most importantly) it would be a good God. Since I do not know or can convince myself credible, I try very easily within my means to be an acceptable human experience during a defined period.

    I've met some unsympathetic atheists, the "Mad Scientists" (who are busy, knows what I mean - but I call careful Geneva as a keyword) to mention. That such a thing as a homo sapiens exists that humanistic values ​​are that in symbiosis with the "neighbor" clever and joyful lives that include not only money, power and other rubbish can, that I need no God certainly.

    Why do I sometimes have a God - or let's say an intelligent creative power - might need is to deal with the idea of ​​things like death. But God is, what you gelangläufig including presenting, or even back behind "Smoke & Mirrors" an unexpected surprise?

    I can therefore neither atheism nor choose to believe - and certainly not for a particular. And find somewhere a good thing.

  17. Magnus Wolf Goeller says:

    @ Armin

    I'm generally not known as an extreme coward, but I would if I had to answer for 9 / 11 and other such things - or would be clearly mithineinverstrickt - a fear of assassination.

    Warned that the collapsing house of cards to bury me under my name and maybe once scribbling on eternal Schandtafeln as big as the Georgia Guidestones, would.

    And, yes: The idea that there exists a Angsteinflößsucht sounds perfectly logical.

    I'm still in time to the times in an extra processing fee.

  18. Joseph of Aphoris says:

    @ Armin

    "I can therefore neither atheism nor choose to believe - and certainly not for any particular."

    But you have a great longing for it, but that there is a God and also God is a loving yet.

    "I believe in God in the sense that I wished it did exist - and (most importantly) it would be a good God."

    As a boy I believed in God. Then something happened, what I do with a God of love simply could not get in touch. I saw with the eyes of a child great suffering and pain and just could not understand how God can allow such a thing. I was Catholic because of my communion her parents sent me to the preparatory classes, but all came here before me even then quite ossified. After the usual confession before Communion, I said to me once and never again. For what is that to another human being, what I've done? Then the pastor took me on even to recite a few Hail Mary, etc., and thus the matter would have. Man, what came before me this stupid procedure. For confirmation, I was not even out until my parents urged me not to do so.
    As a small boy I once asked my parents what would happen at all yet beyond the stars. Sure, they knew it not. I lost God, but more and more out of my sight. Also suffered since my first year of my life, a debilitating disease for which no doctor could find a way. You just have to say always, bad thing, but he is never the army. Yeah, but who were after me, like the devil behind the poor soul and I was invited several times to study this constraint, including humiliation really experienced it. I started the BW and all their staff and I began to hate to hate, from which they had been authorized. Under no circumstances, whether healthy or not, I wanted the military to play servant to these people.
    But somehow it came at the last minute not to do so. A single question was a physician at the time the rash to me then that they were at rest. It almost seemed as if a higher power at the last moment kept her hand in between.

    A few years later, during which my illness is reported hearty again, and I also every now and again God damn, because I made him responsible, then eventually came a day when I said. Enough! From now on I want to be healthy, because I had just totally fed up with having to always have to do with doctors. Well, then, just like you were nothing to me nothing, virtually disappeared from one day to another, my physical symptoms. Then I realized that must have had everything that had happened to make sense. God had protected me? What would have happened if everything had been different, even in things military, etc.?

    They say God's ways are sometimes very strange and often they can be understood by us humans do not. But instead of being grateful to God, I turned further away from Him. Was an atheist and then I started becoming interested in occult matters. Someone like I was then that God can not love more. Because I was such a thing as an antichrist.

    Then in my living environment passed many things that can already be described as terrible, and one day I was so so tired of this world that I did not prefer to live on. I encapsulated me from the outside world almost completely. Still, I had the feeling of not being alone, and I began to talk with God inwardly to Him once again, of course, to blame for everything. And I realized that but for me it all the time but then could not even have to leave. He simply listened in silence, as he had always done when I selection placed him everything that I have had to worry and distress. Suddenly I realized that God loved me very've had. Because even though I constantly averted from him, but he has never left me. He was and is simply always there. On this day, in this hour I was back to God, to believe that is because of Him.
    But I left in return not only of occult things, but also full of the Catholic Church, from which I then resigned and finally what I had planned long ago.

    "... If any of the articles or comments" "accredit or discredit - - God forbid. 'Conspiracy theorists

    This "God forbid" from you Armin, clearly shows your desire even after what I had pushed away compared to you and me, but then again I found, namely for the love of God. To have a grip on life, even if we all hopeless or at least very questionable and appears strange that so happens to us and with us. In what may be an atheist but hold? In what may hold an Antichrist, who seems willing to follow the lie?

    There is an invisible higher power that can not be ignored at the easy, no matter what people do to try it. Ultimately, everyone must admit that there is something beyond our human imagination and comprehension, and yet it is there.

    1 John 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God but that He loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins.

    "Why do I sometimes one God - could need is to deal with the idea of ​​things like death - or shall we say an intelligent creative power."

    Why do we all have somebody like Jesus Christ, so shall lie, but then if there were no resurrection? Jesus would then earn the title Son of God and the wisdom teachers name yet?
    And when Jesus was resurrected, then there is life after death. I believe in God and I believe in Jesus. God I only know that he is there, but there are traditional sayings of Jesus that contain too much wisdom for it than any church that Fritz could have invented it. And that his been in the world is coming long before been announced by various prophets, the writings of this can be considered quite as historically, the whole is another special touch of truth. Jesus as a person is an undeniable fact.

  19. Dude says:

    Erfreuliche Entwicklung hier. :-) Sage euch allen meinen Dank dafür.

    Ich danke euch auch für die Hinweise, derer ich mir jedoch bereits zuvor gewahr gewesen bin.
    Mein Kommentar betraf einzig die vermittelte Ideologie darin, die – wie die Zeichen der Zeit nur allzu deutlich machen – äusserst realistisch ist.
    Genau aus diesem Grund habe ich mir mal die Zeit genommen, eine Zusammenfassung zu machen, und sie ein wenig abzuändern, sodass die Anklage wegen Rassismus hinfällig wird.
    Wen es intressiert, man findet sie hier:
    http://www.mysticalforum.ch/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=10828&p=119575&hilit=protokolle+zion#p119575
    Ich bitte euch eindringlichst, zumindest meine Warnung und Einleitung zu lesen, bevor ihr möglicherweise danach trachtet, mich dafür zu kritisieren ;-)

    Ich grüsse euch herzlichst

  20. Magnus Wolf Goeller says:

    @ Dude

    Ich habe mir den Vorspann durchgelesen, muss aber Kritisches anmerken.

    Rewrite the text on your taste, because then he would somehow digestible, less angry, less dangerous, for example, but this reminds me of the so-called new Bible translations.

    Your intention may be fairly and peaceably.

    I can not condone such a thing in principle.

    Texts that do not belong in children hands belong, not just in the hands of children.

    As well as we can ensure the same.

    Adult children to explain, by one means, they text "gutfälschen" to have, I do not like goutieren.

    I say now, but explicitly and finally for this thread, that I myself am not discussing the issue brief.

    The reasons I have mentioned above.

  21. Armin says:

    @ Joseph of Aphoris
    I find your post very inspiring. Trotzdem entspricht von das von mir Zitierte meiner Gefühlslage.

    Man könnte es ein Nichtdavonausgehen dass es ihn gibt nennen, ohne davon auszugehen, dass es ihn nicht gibt. Oder wie auch immer. Ich denke, man kann durchaus versuchen, die grundlegenden Prinzipien, welche ein positives Zusammenleben und eine gesunde Einstellung zum Geistlichen ermöglichen, ohne sich auf einen Gott zu versteifen. Falls es Gott gibt dann, umso besser, man sollte ja dann optimal auf ihn vorbereitet sein. Falls es ihn nicht geben sollte, ist eine grundliche Analyse der Möglichkeit durchaus sachdienlich.

    Indem man sich einem vollkommen sicher ist, schliesst man das andere aus. Solcherartig zementierte Grundeinstellung dient selten dem Finden der Wahrheit. Das ist für mich eines der Probleme der Religionen. Zuerst kommt die Kernwahrheit, dann die ganzen Modalitäten, dann wird arg zusammengestrichen – und am Schluss bleibt ein Set von Regeln und Gesetzen. Welches weder den Beweis für Gott erbringt, noch in irgendeiner Weise bei der Wahrheitsfindung in Bezug auf dieses Thema dienlich ist.

  22. Dude says:

    Dear Magnus

    Auch wenn du nicht weiter darüber diskutieren möchtest, muss ich dazu doch noch Stellung beziehen.

    Ich habe den Text weder nach Gusto verändert, noch gutgefälscht!
    Verändert habe ich ausschliesslich – und ich betone AUSSCHLIESSLICH! – diejenigen Wörter, welche die Verurteilung von Antisemitismus oder Rassismus nach sich ziehen würden.
    Vorallendingen aus der von Phoenix erwähnter Problematik heraus: “Allein die Erwähnung killt jede Diskussion und diskreditiert die Truther-Bewegung.”

    Ausserdem wäre es aufgrund oben dargelegter Problematik, kombiniert mit allfälliger Einleitung von Strafverfolgung, in keinster Weise ratsam, den Originaltext auf einen Server zu stellen.

    Inhaltlich und sinngemäss entspricht er eins-zu-eins der Ideologie, wie sie im “Original” zu finden ist, und deren Zeichen wir zur Zeit rund um den Globus wahrnehmen können, wenn wir die Welt mit offenen Augen betrachten.

    Lieber Gruss vom Dude

  23. Magnus Wolf Goeller says:

    @ Dude

    Liebe Grüße von mir zurück.

  24. fringesciences sagt:

    Naja es gibt ja viele “Verschöwrungen” die sich schon seit Jahren halten obwohl wenn man normal darüber nachdenkt diese eigentlich nach ein paar Wochen passe sein sollten.

    Etwa Roswell

  25. Magnus Wolf Goeller says:

    @ fringesciences

    Sollten und Ist ist eben nicht dasselbe.

    Solltest Du in Punkto Roswell wissen, was da wirklich war, so freue ich mich über eine Klärung.

  26. Liner info says:

    Nach den wichtigen Hinweisen von Föhnix kann ich die Diskussion um die Erwähnung der weisen Protokolle nicht verstehen. Denn solange wir uns Scheuklappen leisten, egal hinter welchem Glauben versteckt, solange spielen wir in “deren” Liga mit. Freier Mensch kann ich nur sein, wenn ich von mir jeden Tag neu verlange, klar und unvoreingenommen zu schauen. Ich muß den bunten Filter, mit dem ich im Alltagsleben herumlaufe, einfach bewußt absetzen. Auf Urteile verzichten, um wirklich hinschauen zu können. Diese Schritte sind für den Weg zu einer bewußten Erkenntnis unumgänglich. Traut Euch, denn das erfordert Mut. Man begegnet dabei nämlich seinen eigenen häßlichen Schwächen und Dummheiten, die man normalerweise nicht so gerne anschaut.
    Was jemand dann auf so einem Weg erkennt, das freut mich, egal was es ist. Das ist auch der Maßstab, mit dem ich die Blogs und Kommentare lese.

  27. Magnus Wolf Goeller says:

    @ Infoliner

    Mir scheint, Du hast Föhnixens Botschaft nicht richtig verstanden.

    Aber dazu kann er sich selbst äußern.

    Was mich anlangt, so weiß ich zu sagen, dass es sich bei der angesprochenen Schrift um eine verbotene handelt.

    Nicht in allen Ländern, aber hier.

    Dass ich nichts von solcherlei Verboten halte, versteht sich von selbst.

    Oder, sagen wir mal, das habe ich hier schon mehrfach gesagt.

    Du, tut mir leid, dass ich das in diesem Zusamenhange wieder anführe, sagst: “Traut Euch, denn das erfordert Mut.”

    Wo ist Dein Mut, Deinen Kommentar mit Klarnamen einzustellen, lieber Infoliner?

    Irgendwo anschüren gehen, von anderen Mut fordern, selber aber keinen zeigen, das überzeugt mich nicht.

    Das ist ein Maßstab, gemäß dessen ich Kommentare lese.

    (Übrigens, aus dem Handbuch, inhaltlich hast Du mit Deinem Kommentar nichts beigetragen.

    Allgemeines Geschwafel, ja, jetzt sage ich es mal so hart, und den Vorwurf, dass andere keine Lust hätten, ihren Hals in eine Schlinge zu stecken.

    Wonach riecht sowas?)

  28. Föhnix sagt:

    Magnus Wolf Göller schrieb:
    “Liebe Grüße von mir zurück.”

    Diesem Kommentar habe ich nichts hinzu zu fügen.

  29. Föhnix sagt:

    Hier ist ein aktuelles Beispiel zu dem in diesem Faden erwähnten Opfermythos-Prinzip. Eine unterdrückte Frau, noch dazu eine lesbische, versucht, der islamischen Hölle zu trotzen und wird von Teufelsmännern verschleppt. Wenn damit nicht den globalen massenhaften Beschützerinstinkt weckt…

    Amina Arraf war eine Galionsfigur der aktuellen “demokratischen” Facebook-Revolution des “Arabischen Frühlings” in Syrien. Die rührende Geschichte einer lesbischen Freiheitskämpferin, einer populären Bloggerin aus Syrien, die von den bösen Sicherheitskräften verschleppt wurde, entpuppte sich im Lauf der letzten Tage als reines Lügenmärchen, das von einem Amerikaner inszeniert wurde. Das Opfer ist eine Erfindung, auf welche die ganze Welt bereitwillig herein fiel. Hier die chronologische Abfolge.

    1.) “Syrien kidnappt lesbische Bloggerin; Israel feiert die Rechte Homosexueller”
    (Die Seite wurde offenbar vom Netz genommen, ist aber im Google-Cache noch zu sehen)
    http://t.co/OUGvBwW

    2.) “Ein 'Gay Girl' führt die Medien in die Irre”
    http://www.20min.ch/news/ausland/story/Ein–Gay-Girl–fuehrt-die-Medien-in-die-Irre-10156399

    3.) “Syria Gay Girl in Damascus blog a hoax by US man”
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-13744980

  30. Magnus Wolf Goeller says:

    @ Föhnix

    Die Desinformationsschakale sind oft echte Profis und nicht alle doof.

    Also drücken sie regelmäßig genau auf die Knöpfe, die bereits vorinstalliert sind.

    Du nennst ein Paradebeispiel dafür.

    Hätte ich genug Zeit dazu, ich könnte wahrscheinlich 90% der Geschichten, die sie sich naheliegenderweise ausdenken werden, als kommend weissagen.

    Cui Bono? Cui Schakalo? Cui Storyo?

    Diese drei Fragen durchdacht, und die Geschicht' ist gemacht.

  31. Stefan Wehmeier sagt:

    Die Auferstehung der Toten

    “Wenn wir einmal die Natürliche Wirtschaftsordnung erleben, dann braucht man sie nicht mehr in Büchern zu studieren, dann wird alles so klar, so selbstverständlich. Wie bald wird dann auch die Zeit kommen, wo man den Verfasser bemitleiden wird, nicht aber, wie es heute noch geschieht, weil er solch utopischen Wahngebilden nachstrebt, sondern weil er seine Zeit der Verbreitung einer Lehre widmete, die ja doch nur aus einer Reihe banalster Selbstverständlichkeiten besteht.”

    Silvio Gesell

    Angefangen bei Franz Oppenheimer und John Maynard Keynes (um nur die bekanntesten zu nennen) hat es immer wieder “Besserwisser” gegeben, die versucht haben, “Die Natürliche Wirtschaftsordnung durch Freiland und Freigeld” (Silvio Gesell, 1916) anzuzweifeln. Alle sind gescheitert. Das ist nicht weiter verwunderlich, denn wer kein “Besserwisser”, sondern einfach nur ehrlich ist, wird einsehen, dass Silvio Gesell zweifelsfrei Recht hatte.

    Die Alles entscheidende Frage lautet: Welcher kollektive Wahnsinn führte die Menschheit bis an den Rand der größten anzunehmenden Katastrophe der Weltkulturgeschichte (globale Liquiditätsfalle), die von den “Verantwortlichen” noch gar nicht gesehen wird, anstatt die “banalsten Selbstverständlichkeiten” zu verstehen und heute auf einem Zivilisationsniveau zu leben, das bestenfalls erahnen kann, wer die “Großen Vier” (Heinlein, Asimov, Lem, Clarke) vollständig gelesen hat? Fragen wir jemanden, der die Antwort gewusst haben muss:

    “Ich glaube – und hoffe – auch, dass Politik und Wirtschaft in der Zukunft nicht mehr so wichtig sein werden wie in der Vergangenheit. Die Zeit wird kommen, wo die Mehrzahl unserer gegenwärtigen Kontroversen auf diesen Gebieten uns ebenso trivial oder bedeutungslos vorkommen werden wie die theologischen Debatten, an welche die besten Köpfe des Mittelalters ihre Kräfte verschwendeten. Politik und Wirtschaft befassen sich mit Macht und Wohlstand, und weder dem einen noch dem anderen sollte das Hauptinteresse oder gar das ausschließliche Interesse erwachsener, reifer Menschen gelten.”

    Sir Arthur Charles Clarke (1917 – 2008), aus “Profile der Zukunft”

    Damit ist beantwortet, warum “Spitzenpolitiker” und “Wirtschaftsexperten” die so genannte “Finanzkrise” am allerwenigsten verstehen. Sie wollen sie gar nicht verstehen, denn in der Natürlichen Wirtschaftsordnung (Marktwirtschaft ohne Kapitalismus) werden ihre Berufe überflüssig, während allgemeiner Wohlstand zur Selbstverständlichkeit wird.

    Der kollektive Wahnsinn resultiert aus einer künstlichen Programmierung des kollektiv Unbewussten, die vor Urzeiten erforderlich war, um die halbwegs zivilisierte Menschheit durch selektive geistige Blindheit an ein noch immer fehlerhaftes Geld (Zinsgeld) anzupassen, damit das, was wir heute “moderne Zivilisation” nennen, überhaupt entstehen konnte.

    Für die Beendigung der “Finanzkrise” und den anschließenden, eigentlichen Beginn der menschlichen Zivilisation bedarf es der “Auferstehung der Toten”. Als geistig Tote sind alle Existenzen zu bezeichnen, die vor lauter Vorurteilen nicht mehr denken können. Die Basis aller Vorurteile war (und ist noch) die Religion.

    Herzlich Willkommen im 21. Jahrhundert:

    “Der Weisheit letzter Schluss”
    http://www.deweles.de/willkommen.html

  32. Goldesel sagt:

    Also über die “Geselljaner” muß ich ja mittlerweile immer amüsant schmunzeln:

    Da heißt es immer salbungsvoll “Freiheit”, “Wohlstand”, “Erfüllung” usw.kurz: Das Paradies auf Erden stelle sich mit gesell`schen, zinslosen, jedoch ebenfalls Falschgeld (was anderes ist das nämlich auch nicht) von ganz allein ein.

    Der gute Silvio macht von der Totalitärität seines Systems vor allem selbst gar kein Hehl in dem er schreibt:

    “Die natürliche (hust) Wirtschaftsordnung”

    “Wer diesen Zettel zur Einlösung bei der Reichsbank vorzeigt, erhält dort ohne Legitimation 100 Knutenhiebe….”

    Zudem ist ja im Begriff “Schwundgeld” der Betrug ebenso schon eingebaut, habe ich für meinen Lohn/Geld die Leistung bereits erbracht und der Gegenwert schwindet nunmehr.

    Das ganze ist die Freiheit und der Wohlstand eines riesigen Freiluftknastes und wird noch weniger funktionieren wie das jüdische Zinseszinsbetrugssystem was wir heute (vor allem im sogenannten zivilisierten Westen) haben.

    Experimente sind übrigens diesbezüglich gar nicht nötig, Mensch & Natur als Teile eines Ganzen haben sich längst ein funktionierendes Tauschsystem gegeben – weiß bloß kaum noch wer ;-)

  33. der Gedankenverbrecher sagt:

    >> Es steckt noch etwas ganz anderes dahinter <<

    eine kollektiv induzierte Psychose ! (FOLIE À DEUX) ;-)

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