The positive trauma exists. Not only in the sense that humans can get used to it, the same pain he has experienced for a long time or more, endure more relaxed and lighter that the blacksmith over a small burn only laughs and two hours later not even feel but also on the psychological level.
However, this explains the science of my knowledge not very loud. That not only doctors, warriors and whores can be getting tougher without their humanity, their minds, lose their sympathy. On the contrary.
While on the one hand beats can be easily tucked away, which throws the inexperienced from the track not only the sensitivity to risk can insightful moderately as intuitively developed, but also the analysis of the structures and methods of abusers and attackers are refined, alswelches the problem of developers and users is of psychological weapons of mass destruction.
For the procedures, the most probat oppressive or destructive, follow with those who recognize Unterlaufungs-, defense and attack measures of a kind you do not even must explain the Untergenerälen the wicked, so as not from their track to throw.
Apart from the fact that not even necessarily know the upper maid Mati Eure, what is objected to them by the positive traumatized.
The upper maid Mati your can simply not much in the minds of those who penetrate, see through them, they already tried to traumatize negative by all means available to them.
Before their thinking they are like the ox in front of mountains.
The positive thrust his traumatized able at any time to not only change, but also to use all new, previously unthought and therefore not vorausschaubare means to confuse, inhibit, to drop into his own hole the tormentors who simply do not like subside.
The positive traumatized may even suddenly strike with a power that no one would have given him credit for.
The positive traumatized is not bound to the conventional cause-effect diagram; he pursued if it does not, very different ways, the other only later recognized as gone, or never.
The positive traumatized is not an Indigo Child, or a shrewd Masonic or Scientologist or a double agent; the positive traumatized is especially one that accurately and clear thinking at the same time as others.
The positive traumatized no longer thinks in the categories of "normal" people; he knows already that he can not afford, and he did not even want already.
The positive traumatized person knows that for him no turning back there in the flock that he would hopelessly under there by his trauma soon would become negative.
The positive traumatized person also knows he always in danger, as the maid of Mati your constantly watching him suspiciously, if not follow, and that the negative traumatized envy him his freedom at any time and therefore stop at nothing, often not knowing why.
The positive traumatized person is ...
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"The positive traumatized no longer thinks in the categories of" normal "people;"
If the text above all by yourself your spirit sprung Mr. Goeller?
Then all respect!
Was VERY GOOD like, no, he sure likes me still very well. I will even copy it to me - may I, right?
Also, the open end is interesting:
"The positive traumatized person is ..."
Nevertheless, it would be very interested what the traumatized person because do you think "is".
@ Sil
The text is self-evident to me, otherwise I would not put it without permission of the author and reference to the same one here.
Also thanks for the compliment.
And you may this text as naturally as desired copy and distribute as long as you enjoy any benefits and denounce me as the author correctly.
For your indirect question at the end of your comment: The end of my article is in fact at least ambiguous, and this is how you are to me perhaps decrease in deliberately.
Sometimes, as my experience, people think you can better yourself first.
Practice makes perfect.
It may be that this article will be continued in the foreseeable future, which then of course in a - should consist of explanation of the final movement - at least far-reaching.
But may also be that not.
@ Sil
Clarification: Not only the text is by me, but also the thought in consequence of this, at least I inalsoweit white (there is little fundamentally new under the sun).
It is certainly in some form for Confucius, Shakespeare, Cervantes, especially since Nietzsche ("What does not kill me makes me stronger") this approach can find long, but I brought him in a particularly explicit and differentiated form.
"... .but I brought him in a particularly explicit and differentiated form."
So you've already done that for yourself what you want from others by the final sentence in the article: think ahead alone.
Can you imagine that you already might otherwise be a great help through your independent thinking ahead in this case? Only once was lumped and considered from my point of view, it could indeed be so.
I have passed on to others, because everyone has one or the other trauma and I am waiting for an answer to. Someone to whom I offered it directly to read (a woman) said she would find in her words again.
Under the sun there is not perhaps a lot to discover, but behind the sun, perhaps even more so.
I would be very interested in continuing their thoughts as products and as you can imagine, in a statement which is ....
@ Sil
Love (r) Sil.
I am very pleased that according to your statement are people who can start with my thoughts on something traumatizing.
Regarding the continuation of I beg your patience as I am currently very busy private and certainly (much is already clear) quite tricky implications from the second part of growing up.
Behind the Sun it can be so bright for some, that they wished they stood only at some distance from it.
Good morning, Mr. Goeller. I think your text extremely well and would love to put it on my humble web page, if you do not mind (as a PDF, of course, naming the author and the source).
http://ganzwerden.jimdo.com/
Kind regards, Uwe Habricht
@ Uwe Habricht
Hello Mr. Habricht,
You are welcome to publish in the form specified by you the text.
Regards
MG
"Behind the Sun it can be so bright for some, that they wished they stood only at some distance from it."
@ MWG
I'm not afraid of the light and a lot of patience I have.
Thank you for the "love (r)".
They seem to be a very dear.
Quiet and peaceful Christmas day wishes,
Sil
@ Sil
Thank you!
Wish you the same.
Lieb I'm almost always.
Regards
MG
I would also like to confess that I would see these fine thoughts like further differentiated and poured in more explicit forms. The "developers psychological weapons of mass destruction" against work ... so if that is not recognized - respect! This has many important and fascinating issues could arise. I have on occasion absolutely even deeper into your mind-reading time, because this train of thought really makes appetite.
The "Traumatiseur" seems to be a true original, yes. I would like to continue using it, as much as he likes me: therefore comes as a "hairdresser", and yet in his run demonstrably ultimately the threads together. "Master of pieties" or "piety plumber" is pretty much everything I could think of so far for our highly professional maid boss Mati Eure.
"The positive traumatized may even suddenly strike with a power that no one would have given him credit for."
Did you here on a particular item?
In own categories think - this kind of courage brought only few on. But in light fast learning environments that could well become a popular sport.
Euphemism for the penultimate paragraph (or Psalm): "If you have even started to doubt, then it's over."
@ Tosco Torpedo
A design for the extension, unfortunately still too weak and ungriffig already exists.
Once I brought my private things better in order, I hope to be able to demonstrate meaningful Flaring.
Tosco Torpedo
"The positive traumatized may even suddenly strike with a power that no one would have given him credit for."
> Did you doing at a particular item? <
How about the power of the unpredictable and indomitable self-will.
Or just a single word: NO!
Because You know: "In the beginning was the Word ..."
Spoken like a true "Wutbürgerin".
But "the language is not an objective description of reality, but an abundance of possible encodings aspects of reality," I had yesterday off me Mr. Rätsch on Youtube (fungus as Entheogen 09, part 2). And exactly this circumstance transformed my opinion the seemingly clear power of one's will to a rather ticklish matter, provided that the volition is based on reasonable, so purely logical, or romantic, say transfigured-logical considerations and the usual mixture of the two. When tantrums and emotional outbursts are behaving naturally different.
"In the beginning was the Word."
This slogan represents the resounding success, with the scribes before seven to ten thousand years, the position of the priest who occupied and since then control the fate of civilization. Word priests succeeds until today - after the invention of printing in all possible professions - to secure by superior intelligence and strategic utilization of this "abundance of coding" interpretation jurisdictions and thus mentally more or less to beat hosts to basically essential superficial thinker entirely in Bann (and then just send if necessary, to the battlefield, if something jumps out here). In contrast to the millennial "monolithic and comprehensive thinking and steering system" of medieval European Christianity this interpretation sovereignty is understood dialectically highly fragmented 500 years later, with "11.9", the murderous instant pulverization of the WTC towers live in front of the cameras of the world should tear the next trench faith and has also torn, but behind this fragmentation puts the same in my view perverse calculus on spiritual supremacy hinarbeitender so-called clergyman in its modern, reformed expression of controlled controversy.
Actually, yes, "in the beginning" the image or, more precisely, "the film".
The movie in your head, if you will. Without the psychedelic Ur-socialization no human mind, says Terry McKenna. Although the medicine men and sorcerers dream had certainly on his bed, but compared to the opportunities offered by the language, others to deceive a few nasty tricks specifically, had the political power of the "film-priest" inevitably fade. Long story short: Hitler, for example, could never have been this mega-criminal, he would not have been previously set as a mega-benefactor in scene and built the Messiah.
My point with this little demolition, Sil, nothing is lower than in the idea of the positive trauma a kind of drastic healing process can be assumed with historical weight. Because is degraded more rapidly with the computers of the general power advantage of secret knowledge and ultimately leveled what promises to be a veritable explosion of mind expansion and diversification through mutual inspiration as possible about piety boundaries instead of cognitive uniformity historically. Granted, with a no it all starts, but when stretched behind this No not a new Yes and deployed, then benefits in the long run even the most beautiful traumatization nothing, I fear. In this impasse has, for example, all curled, who think in categories of a criminal conspiracy. Especially on this topic I have an open letter to Gerhard Wisnewski in the pipeline, which would have to go out in the next few days.
In short, the power that comes from the unexpected turn inkulturationspolitisch-precise trauma (plus permanent-systematic dumbing down, of course) results into positive, could, I think, one day when reaching a tipping points quite suddenly hit back with a force, the former the System of contempt, the va fed by education differences, so thoroughly lifts off its hinges, it would seem in hindsight like a bad joke.
@ MWG
Then let him mature, your design until it tastes good. I have time.
Tosco
"One day when reaching a tipping points"
On such a day waiting on the one hand and on the other hand, many also work out a lot.
Only one asks the other, because WHEN THIS day finally comes, no one knows the answer.
Because THIS day nothing good will bring with it for many, let certain people build bunkers and they also barricade at his home all doors. Just what you want to do this over cautious, however, when what they expect, comes only through the Spirit?
The "medieval European Christianity" is a specter in search of his castle. Because it can not find its home ground, it pulls like crazy around the world and makes people a hard time.
So long, Sil
I recommend "The grain of sand that makes the earth move". A really excellent book, in which Mark Buchanan various examples nicely illustrates what a tipping point exactly represents and why his prediction is so complicated. The main reason, however, why me "THIS day" especially precious little interested, lies elsewhere. I think our adventure is that we belong to the very first generation, which enjoys the luxury of being able to dip into this sea of digitized information and boundless, lightning fast video, audio and text communication. We are in the midst of a gigantic, unprecedented media revolution that brings a lot of new territory to the fore. When we would hold the first printed books in hands, so you have to imagine about that, and from that moment until the Peace of Westphalia was needed at that time about 200 years before the battle lines were redrawn. When I put my fresh erjagtes this country "heretics knowledge" of the past eight years with the general ignorance in relationship, I find it hard to believe that "THIS" tipping point could be reached before the next turn of the century. Nevertheless, I go for several reasons believe that without my life time plays a role.
In order to understand this correctly, I will go one step further and clear for the record that political activism (in the narrow sense) practically does not come into question for me. Not at this time. "The Phalanx", of which will be mentioned again and again, can serve as the working title for a purely investigative and simultaneously mediating project, etc. on the teachings, sermons completely avoided and nobody should talk to the conscience. A downright anti-political phalanx, so to speak, to produce with the sole aim of a maximum of understanding, piety limits on any kind of time. Because the bunkers, of which you speak, Sil, which you can build just in the mind. Take for example the wall that divided Berlin and the whole country. She has not held for decades about because of the concrete in the streets, but because of the concrete in the mind. Barricaded doors are still just in the spirit of the most normal thing in the world. Cyberspace makes the public without makeup now visible, and you certainly have noticed how much hatred and mutual contempt discharges since daily. Seen in the barricades are in the spirit of my political adversaries. Or in other words: To me it's not about "the truth" (which everyone accepts claim for themselves), but rather and above all about perception.
Your "specter that haunts Europe," I'll find sensational observed. Apart from the fact that the Roman encompassing Fraternity plus faith community still represents a weighty body of all the greatest bastion in the world and the Federal Republic is written according to Spiegel Online as socially Catholic like all modern EU (with a quasi-Jesuits as President of the European Council), this monolithic thinking and steering system in the meantime had found a new and very significant homeland: the community of the communist bloc, a clerical dictatorship par excellence. With party secretaries as preachers and thoughts policemen and a nomenklatura-bureaucratic and ossified so inquisitorial-canonically as her idol in Rome. "Allumfasst" of a dead zone, since it was clear that the experiment will fail. And what happened immediately after the construction of the wall? Glasnost on catholic - the turn by the Second Vatican Council. Again led by the companions of Jesus. I know so far no one had ever made this connection. Although I have no concrete evidence, but there is a reasonable probability that the entire socialist project in Asia and Eastern Europe has been part of the Counter-Reformation.
@ Tosco
Very interesting what you write. In addition to the Katholentum - not always, not even hidden, allied with that - there are at least two major (western) power groups, which in turn are intertwined: the one complained eg in the UK alone 280,000 members themselves, probably the least of it beggars, peasants or cleaning ladies.
Looking at the matter, however, phenomenologically, as You have performed admirably on the basis of the communist experiment as one out of a priesthood, as is the Vatican with its structure, of course, the precursor and still the prime example of this is.
All is of course also the question of what the skirmishes between z. B. Opus Dei and certain Masonic groups, or, as Dan Brown in "The Da Vinci Code" processed to the popular adventures (my ham grade times for relaxation in English inveigled and wants its various questionable aspects here now not individually pick), who, in reality mean between the Church and the Priory of Sion, the extent to which these are often not only dolls battles.
Very enlightening also your comments on the "word" over the older "film"; as well as the considerations for "Tipping Point".
Here we are then m. E. also in the question of the reality checked "malditos encantadores" (Don Quixote), I somewhat careless with "evil wizards" translated in the sequel to the above, while "maldito" accurate "cursed" (bad words) and means a "encantador" actually a "one Inger" (from "cantar" "sing"), the adjective "encantado" approximately "delighted" or even (!) "enchanted" means.
Then I wanted to go first in Part Four, this will repeat also certainly there and deepen, so that it does not walk past some readers comment in the local train; but now it fits perfectly here already, so it hardly makes sense for these remarks "aufzusparen"; and since it may be that you or Sil or another reader will find further aufgreifst or picks up the complex before, so that appropriate considerations already here in the thread and later as cited text blocks square.
Tosco
I believe that what happens in our world, the following sentence from you, the essence of everything.
"Barricaded doors are still just in the mind the normal thing in the world."
The barricade of doors in the Spirit, begins any kind of oppression and the solution to all problems is the removal of the concrete in the mind. How barricaded doors in the spirit of other people better, than that they traumatized? There is a beautiful expression in sentence form for the states: "The first cut is the deepest".
What man can not remember so it added a section in his mind, one he inflicted trauma? I think EVERYONE can.
But the man just also tends to want to suppress the emotional pain inflicted on him as soon as possible. Of these, the pain does not go away but he is only "barred" or cast in concrete. The displaced pain then examined other ways to reveal itself. One is a Spanish national poet, tries to get his mind on from smaller to larger follies stories permeated the freedom that should have been granted him from the outset. The question is, Cervantes spirit had also made such jumps in the freedom of the imagination, if he had suffered no trauma?
Another man might be tempted to process his trauma by innerlichem with pleasure while "helping" others to cast their minds in concrete. Clearly this is then quasi almost a criminal act if you did not have to take credit for the offender that he indeed is a psychologically traumatized suffering itself.
So the people thus substantiate their minds with time against each other and eventually the whole thing culminates in a gigantic social trauma from which there seems to be no escape. At this point, I would refer to 9.11. Now it gets a little complicated: attorney here offender victims become perpetrators or victims were the perpetrators were, so to himself grinning lunatic, who have always been perpetrators, a whole society deliberately administered a trauma?
The recognition that has been planned 9/11 has probably accurate for many people the opposite effect, as it was thought of the insane in Hntergrund. It took place in many people something like a positive trauma and barricaded doors in the Spirit opened suddenly. How far the consequences go, you will still have to wait. But my opinion is, it is doing something quite formidable and indeed around the world. Of course the internet is it also significantly involved and how the insane were announced itself in the background, which is www with the biggest mistake they have made themselves. Therefore, they are now trying, too, to get it by all means under total control. The question now is whether you can stick again but simply crumbled concrete in mind?
"Glasnost on catholic -. The turn by the Second Vatican Council"
The fact that the Vatican is mainly accountable and responsible for the spiritual barricade of doors, should be noticed really slow each, making sure I do not need not to explain how crazy this is. Especially those who claim themselves to be the clergy and of which the Pope claimed as their leader, to be the representative of God, ie, the upper clergy on earth, there are but who invented the concreting of the human spirit, which are so most probably has its origin and what makes them start your maid of Mati. Whether such people then it can call also victims, should be discussed.
So with your remarks Tosco I go so far as compliant, but wonder why you then at the end the whole thing referring to Jesus.
"Again led by the companions of Jesus."
Was Jesus as a Catholic or the Vatican has not found in Jesus rather a great sacrifice to the distortion of the human spirit willed by him, namely, absolute freedom for anyone to build something much better than a concrete bunker for the mind the people. Vagabond King, invisible barricaded doors, a trauma for anyone who accepts the corrupted clergy, but at the same time also for anyone who rejects the corrupted clergy. Really as good as perfect, because who is there then that can resist it, if there are only two choices and both can be maintained only through various mechanisms of repression of the individual, like, in check?
The solution lies perhaps and at most is itself positively traumatizing, as it has done for example Cervantes on his special way, or even Nietzsche on his way to create themselves spiritual freedom, or quite unlike him him someone to early Christian Freedom is returned, the same accounts for Jesus in person and mind, and who really understood what it really is the true Son of God.
As a traumatized people eventually barricaded the doors open in his mind, but is only of secondary importance. Main thing is that it happened and so he becomes a positive traumatized man. Then the way the mind is free and windmills which are then still able to make a bogey in his way?
The truth is possibly only on highly sophisticated manner, and as it seems to have been covered by the Jesuits really stand behind the Pope, but they still exist in this world, the TRUTH. Open your mind and you will find the truth for you.
The hatred and mutual contempt that it discharges a day, as you say, will be the awakening of the displacement trauma in the minds of many people who do not quite know how to handle it, for out of the prison built by Catholics to have escaped the mind. The fear of the Inquisition puts the people were, even in the bone, and above all in their genes, as well as perhaps also what the Nazi era and later constituted the divided Germany. Blow by blow received from the people, they were administered a trauma after another. Who can cope with everything something spiritual, but as to healing come out as positive traumatized man at the end and to make an end to it for good, to let crowd in a victim-perpetrator role? Who can stand on this special day of the full awakening?
But as a man waving at the end of the absolute freedom over or through his mind. And then has no Traumatiseur he nor any chance.
@ Sil
Brilliant. Thank you.
@ Tosco & Sil
Als ich den Zyklus “Vom positiv traumatisierten Menschen” begann, sodann auch noch den Quijote als Beispiel heranziehend, vermutete ich kaum, eine so profunde und weitgespannte Resonanz daruf zu erhalten, wie Ihr hier einbringt.
Seit der Diskussion um “Die Macht des Klarnamens”, die “Decknamenfritzen im Netz” und “Drei Neue Nicks” ff. , die nicht zufällig schon eine Menge dessen aufwarf, was hier erörtert wird (Befreiung des Individuums), hatte ich selten das Vergnügen, derart engagierte und gut verfasste Leserbeiträge zu bekommen. Noch einmal mein Dank dafür.
Wie ich oben schon erwähnte, habt Ihr inzwischen einen erheblichen Teil dessen, was ich im Vierten Teil anschneiden wollte, bereits vorweggenommen, so dass ich diesen werde reichlich anders verfassen müssen, als mir vorschwob; jetzt habe ich noch einen Schlag Mehrarbeit vor mir, denn an Zitaten und Querverweisen auf das von Euch Eingebrachte komme ich nun sicherlich nicht mehr vorbei.
So allerdings macht unerwartete Mehrarbeit große Freude.
Ihr habt mich sozusagen positiv traumatisiert (hoffe ich mal…).
@ Sil
Want to 9.11 or your statements relating thereto.
Part I agree with you absolutely right in your analysis.
But for many people just means the realization that all this down egg is a tainted, as was boldly proceeded here is a lie, which it built Edifizium Maliziosum but seems to be against all reason, like a rock, a trauma in the hopelessness .
I have not met a few who, whether in part for the first time really woke up, rather long ago knew more than the official history, almost 1.9 1 hernahmen to evidence some people might be a thousand times convicted of falsehood, and it profited nothing, does not alter the fact; it is therefore simply desperate to believe these people had once to put a stop to that one is therefore but a spinner, wasting if you do not dareinstecke life energy.
One convinced then the other, and a very effective loop is set in motion.
And it is not so easy to refute this assessment, to bring at least shaken, because, as I have here (recently also under the "collection of aphorisms") indeed already addressed several times (also: "The art of lying") : It runs eg a Tony Blair, who has hineingelogen his people undoubtedly in the Iraq war, still around like Karle Brasig, collected 50,000 pounds for a presentation of his "expertise", if I'm not mistaken, still the EU's Middle East Representative ...
The ultimate humiliation, discouragement, incapacitation consists precisely in the fact that people lie to open them to ridicule nor hinterherzuschleudern how easy a trap which, as just as easily be any time difficult to make people who indicate only on clearly proven truths the existence, if not destroy can.
We have in this respect, I mean, now a very different, yet little selbt awareness of the conscious squat quality of mass Steering achieved as individual negative trauma.
Deshalb gilt trotzdem alles, was Du ausführtest: Dies ergänzt es lediglich, und wo die Sache in der nächsten Zeit noch hinläuft, das ist in der Tat offen.
Es liegt aber auch wesentlich an uns.
Diese Seite immerhin wird vermutlich nicht nur von Blöden und von Schlapphüten gelesen (was natürlich oft dasselbe ist).
Die kleinsten Ritzen, durch die jemand noch die Freiheit für seinen Geist erlangen könnte, sollen bald dicht gemacht werden. EIN Staat (eine Weltregierung) und EINE Religion, der alle zu folgen haben, wird das Ergebnis sein. Hoffentlich genügt die positive Traumatierung von vielen Menschen, um der Unvernunft die Stirn zu bieten. Wir werden es vermutlich live miterleben. Auf welche Seite werden sie sich stellen, die Leute? Nehmen sie den einfachen Weg und lassen sie sich für immer einsperren oder wählen sie den Weg des freien Geistes wie Don Quijote?
http://ivarfjeld.wordpress.com/2011/01/15/ecumenical-unity-week-focuses-on-original-community-in-jerusalem/
“Der Vatikan ist bereit ein himmlisches Jerusalem auf Erden zu bauen (siehe Quelle Ivarfjeld). Christliche Leiter bereiten die Woche der Einheit für 2011 vor.”
Erkennt Ihr die große Bedeutung davon? Wir sind nicht mehr weit davon entfernt, dann haben wir den Superbunker Erde als Gefängnis für uns alle. Unterschätzt nicht die Macht des Vatikans.
@MWGöller
“Ihr habt mich sozusagen positiv traumatisiert (hoffe ich mal…).”
Dabei kann ja dann nur etwas sehr Gutes herauskommen. Wir dürfen also wieder gespannt sein. Ein großes Dankeschön ebenfalls an Sie Herr Göller.
@ MWGöller
“Es liegt aber auch wesentlich an uns.”
Es liegt immer nur an uns – an jedem einzelnen Menschen, und nur ein freier Geist kann und wird am Ende siegen.
Das scheint sich zu entwickeln … (sprach John McClane).
Ich hab mir auf Youtube gestern “WikiRebels”, eine Dokumentation über WikiLeaks, angesehen und war einigermaßen überrascht, weil mich das Projekt von Assange & Co. bisher noch kaum interessiert hatte. Plötzlich scheint es, als wäre dieses flexible Netzwerk engagierter Computerprofis und überzeugter Transparenz-Erzeuger eine gewaltige Plattenverschiebung bei den tektonischen Umbrüchen im medialen Sektor, wo am Ende dieser demokratisierenden Informationsrevolution dann “ein Sandkorn” genügt. Welche andere westliche Nachrichtenagentur zeigte denn den Krieg um Babylon, wie er tatsächlich ist? No! Deshalb dreschen jetzt auch alle (Partei-)Politiker und Medienpolitiker – ich kann diese Hochstapler einfach nicht länger “Journalisten” nennen – im Schulterschluss mit Kabarettisten und anderen Fernsehschauspielern auf diese neuartige Whistleblower-Phalanx namens WikiLeaks verbal ein.
“What is new is us forcing cooperation between competitive organizations that would otherwise be rivals. To do the best by the story, as opposed to simply just doing the best by their own organization.” O-Ton Assange und der Grund, weshalb ich hier überhaupt damit anfange. Die im Falle des “Irakkriegs” doppelt – zum einen im Medien- oder Staatskonzern, zum andern im Militär – “eingebetteten” Kriegsberichterstatter des Corporate Mainstream, die die Öffentlichkeit durch ihre schiere publizistische Dominanz im Wesentlichen nach Belieben verwalten und administrieren, waren doch schon von vornherein zur Auftragsarbeit vergattert und bleiben es prinzipiell auch. Würdest du etwa behaupten wollen, unsere “deutsche demokratische” Gesellschaft strotzt nur so vor Ehrlichkeit? Doch eher vom Gegenteil. Und damit verblasst nun mal vieles zu Makulatur.
Die Gefährten Jesu hätte ich mal lieber in Anführungszeichen gesetzt, damit waren nämlich nur die in den Jesuitenorden eingeschworenen Priesterritter gemeint: die wieder zum Leben erweckten Tempelritter. Die Bezeichnung “Gefährten von Jesus” rührt von der Vision her, die der heilige Ignatius gehabt haben will (oder meinetwegen auch gehabt hatte) und die dem Kampfverband den Namen gab. Also “Gesellschaft Jesu” im Sinne von “Jesus' Begleiter” oder “zusammen mit Jesus” – man könnte auch sagen die “Kompagnons” oder “Kumpel” von Jesus (engl. “Company of Jesus”). Ich bin erst vor kurzem bei Rita Haub drauf gestoßen. (“Diese Vision besagte, dass er und seine Gefährten Gott dienen sollten, indem sie zusammen mit Christus gesandt werden, den Menschen zu helfen. Ignatius hatte so eine große Andacht zum Namen Jesu gefasst und ließ sich von keinem Widerspruch davon abbringen, seine Gemeinschaft 'Gesellschaft Jesu' zu nennen.”) Dass sie ihren “Chief Executive Officer” als den “Christus quasi praesens”, den gegenwärtigen, quasi anwesenden, Christus anhimmeln, war mir dagegen dank Mathilde Ludendorff schon länger bekannt. Die “Gefährten Jesu” betrachten sich in ihrem eigenen Verständnis als die faktischen “Jesusse auf Erden”. Da kannst du dir in etwa ausrechnen, wie eklatant sich deren Frömmigkeit von jeder anderen unterscheidet.
To be continued.
@ Tosco
Vielschichtig!
Obgleich Du oben Sil direkt angesprochen hast, erlaube ich mir, Dir teilweise zu widersprechen.
Traumatisierung besteht meines Erachtens nicht nur aus “einschneidenden, also seelisch überwältigenden, kurzzeitigen Erlebnissen”.
Hochbegabte Kinder beispielsweise werden sehr häufig nicht durch wie von Dir definierte Erlebnisse traumatisiert, sondern die Traumatisierung vollzieht sich schrittweise.
Einmal, zweimal, dreimal mit einer guten, ungewöhnlichen Idee oder ob einer andersartigen Herangehensweise an ein Problem, eines eigentümlichen Witzes oder sonstigen Verhaltens ausgelacht, ausgegrenzt, gedemütigt, das verkraften die meisten; erzeigt sich aber dauerhaft, dass ebengenaudann, wenn das Kind sich sicher ist, etwas besonders Fruchtbares vorzulegen bzw. zu leisten, die Ablehnung und Erniedrigung am härtesten ausfällt, so führt dies oft zur nachhaltigen, akkumulativ über viele “leichte” Schläge erreichten, veritablen Traumatisierung. Die Knäste und Irrenhäuser sind voll von auf diese Art aus der Bahn Geworfenen.
Dass die Gesellschaft in diesem Zusammenhang mehr oder weniger zivilisationsbedingt, automatisch reagiert, in der Regel keine echte, auf den Einzelnen ausgerichtete “Verschwörung” dahintersteckt, ändert dabei nichts am Befund.
Im übrigen werden klug angelegte, gezielt (verschwörungsmäßig) auf einen Einzelmenschen ausgerichtete Traumatisierungen, wenn genügend Grund, Ressourcen und Zeit vorhanden, nach demselben Prinzip vorgenommen; und zwar aus verschiedenen, im Sinne der Perfidie und der angestrebten Wirkung durchaus vernünftigen Gründen.
Im Falle der Verunfallung oder des offenen Mordes bleibt zum einen das Problem bestehen, dass die Zielperson den anderen nicht als eigentlich gescheitert vorgeführt werden kann, alswelches häufig das Hauptziel, sie kann gar, wenn es ganz dumm läuft, eine Art Märtyrerstatus erlangen bzw. zu einer Legende werden, zumal bezüglich dessen, was sie wohl noch alles erreicht hätte, wäre sie nicht so früh verschieden (worden), zum Gegenstand unerwünschter Nachforschungen, Spekulationen etc.
Wesentlich zielführender mag es also sein, diejenige Person in die Paranoia zu treiben oder sonst zu Handlungen zu verführen, Schritt um Schritt, zu Äußerungen zu verleiten, mit denen sie sich scheinbar oder tatsächlich (das ist dann leicht dasselbe) unmöglich macht.
Mit dieser Methode wird dann, wenn sie Erfolg zeitigt, erreicht, dass die Zielperson ihr Bild vor den anderen selbst zerstört, damit den Irrsinn all ihrer vordem als hehr erscheinenden Anliegen sozusagen selbst nachweist, hiemit viele potentielle Gegner der sukzessiv Traumatisierenden wenigstens hemmt, wenn nicht wesentlich ablenkt oder gar umdreht.
Und genau diese Methode wird ganz wesentlich in den kulturellen bzw. zivilisatorischen Kontext eingebunden, diesen eiskalt ausnutzend angewandt.
Noch zu Wikileaks: Wie Du bei mir in diversen Artikeln dazu lesen kannst, auch erst gestern wieder, bin ich nicht Deiner Ansicht, dass dieser Laden allzuviel taugt, um es mal gelinde auszudrücken.
Dass die mal einen Hubschrauber gezeigt haben, dessen Besatzung vergnügt Zivilisten abballert, heißt für mich nichts.
Es war längst klar, wie das da unten abläuft. Hätten sie was zur Uranmunition gebracht, was allerdings auch schon jeder Informierte weiß, indes kein Thema ist. Oder zu Marjah, dito.
Mir persönlich haben die nichteine relevante Information geliefert.
Und wer sich genehmigtermaßen mit der NYT, dem Guardian und dem Spiegel ins Bett legt, dem habe ich zu den Weltenläuften aussagend ohnehin keinen Grund, Vertrauen zu schenken, im Gegenteil.
@Tosco und @MWGöller
Was jetzt wichtig ist, wie bekommt man eine ganze Gesellschaft dazu ihre wie auch immer geartete Traumatisierung im einzelnen oder die erfolgte Gehirnwäsche von allen so zu verarbeiten, damit eine positive Traumatisierung zu Gunsten aller und für ein neues System daraus erwächst?
Nur als Beispiel: Mauer weg! Todesschützen an der Grenze weg! Ging doch, geht doch! Wo sind sie alle geblieben, die Überwacher und Verräter; Oder wo blieb damals die Armee von Sadam Hussein? Ein System von korrupter und durchtriebener Macht, kann schneller kippen als man denkt. Die NWO wird auch ohne Gewalt ihr Ziel nicht erreichen. Sehen wir es einfach mal positiv.
Zur Begriffsproblematik Traumatisierung/Positive Traumatisierung im Moment nur soviel, dass ich denke, “Trauma” als Vokabel funktioniert nur dort, wo seelische Überforderung stattfindet: seelische Überlastung, die immer mit (mehr oder weniger gravierenden) Auswirkungen aufs sogenannte Unterbewusstsein verbunden ist und dadurch äußerst problematische, weil schwierig zu durchschauende Veränderungen zur Folge hat. Wie weit sich deine Fallbeispiele mit dieser Grenzziehung vereinbaren lassen, will ich als Nächstes mal durchdeklinieren. Fest steht, dass Berufstraumatiseure fast ausschließlich übers Unbewusste arbeiten – selbst bei der Sprache, von der wir in der Regel annehmen, sie wäre der eigentliche Bereich, die explizite Sphäre des Bewussten, oder besser vor allem bei der Sprache, eben weil wir das annehmen und die doch voller okkulter Symbolik steckt, die ihr die Computernetze jetzt gnadenlos austreiben können wie in einem spektakulären semantischen Exorzismus … Die Täter-Opfer-Frage, die Sil weiter oben im Zusammenhang mit “9/11″ aufgeworfen hatte (“Jetzt wird es kompliziert: Machten hier Täter Opfer zu Tätern oder waren es Opfer, die zu Tätern wurden, womit in sich hinein grinsende Irre, die schon immer Täter gewesen sind, einer ganzen Gesellschaft ganz bewusst ein Trauma verabreichten?”) könnte man dabei in den Mittelpunkt stellen oder als eine Art Testgelände ins Auge fassen, denn diese Debatte gehört mit zum Spannendsten, was dieser Mega-Krimi zu bieten hat. Noch spannender als im Zusammenhang mit dem “Holocaust”, würde ich sagen, weil noch undurchschaubarer und noch komplizierter. Guido Knopp und Paul Greengrass zB – Opfer oder Täter? Traumatisierte oder Traumatiseure?
@Tosco und @MWGöller
“– Opfer oder Täter? Traumatisierte oder Traumatiseure?”
Habt Ihr in diesem Zusammenhang schon einmal von diesem Buch hier gehört? Es wird nicht umsonst so schnell verboten worden sein und wie ich gesagt bekam, ist es in Deutschland nicht erhältlich. Klar, keine Ahnung warum es das Buch bei uns in den Läden nicht zu kaufen gibt. ;)
http://gedankenfrei.wordpress.com/2008/08/17/lit-manuskript-polit/
http://quantumfuture.net/gn/ponerologie/
@ Tosco
Gute Idee, das Ganze neu zu sortieren und aufzubereiten.
Wie genau stellst Du Dir das vor?
Ruf mich doch mal an: Ab nächste Woche sollte 0711 / 66 48 70 28 endlich funktionieren (so der Telegott will…).
@ Sil
Zunächst möchte ich mich bei Ihnen für meine unerfragte Duzerei entschuldigen: Manchmal weiß man im Netz einfach nicht mehr, wer einen gerade siezt und wer einfach duzt.
Zur Sache: Sie und Tosco scheinen meine These der möglichen sukzessiven Traumatisierung partout nicht akzeptieren zu wollen, alswelches Ihr gutes Recht ist, sich mir aber logisch nach wie vor nicht erschließt, zumal da ich sehr eindeutig – zumal anhand des Beispieles des ausgelachten hochbegabten Kindes – nicht nur von demjenigen sprach, was landläufig als Gehirnwäsche bezeichnet wird, also einer vorsätzlichen, gezielten negativen Konditionierung.
Über letztere – ich will nicht zuviel versprechen – werde ich voraussichtlich, obschon das Thema in unzähligen Büchern und Aufsätzen sattsam abgehandelt scheint, auf dieser Seite in Bälde noch ein paar Betrachtungen einstellen; geplantermaßen nicht nur im analytisch-erkenntnistheoretischen Sinne, sondern auch als praktischen Leitfaden für sowohl direkt Betroffene wie auch im Sinne der ihnen darausher entgegenschlagenden Abwehrhaltung bzw. Aggression Involvierten, derer, die sich notwendig oder aus mehr oder weniger freien Stücken zum Ziele setzen (müssen), eingesenkte psychische Strukturen bei anderen aufzubrechen.
Dieser Themenkomplex ist jenem vom positiv traumatisierten Menschen naturgemäß nah verwandt bzw. eng mit jenem verflochten; ich habe mich aber trotzdem dafür entschieden, ihn zur rechten Zeit gesondert zu behandeln.
Vorläufig wünsche ich daher viel Vergnügen mit den eben unter obigem Titel eingestellten Teilen IV und V.
@ Tosco
“Magnat Magnus”: Das ist ja mal eine nette, leicht spöttische Spielerei als öffentliche Anrede.
Ist mir jedenfalls so noch nicht untergekommen, obgleich der Stab sich anbietet.
Noch zum Du: Im Netz handhabe ich es normalerweise einfach nach Gefühl, sieze aber in der Regel die Leute, die dies mir gegenüber tun.
Zu Wisnewskis Gedanken: Würdest Du mal einen Link zur entsprechenden Schrift bzw. entscheidenden Textpassagen einstellen, damit interessierte Leser wie auch ich die Bezüge herstellen können?
“ ins Rampenlicht ” (the links are coming …)