Today I was finally her turn. I participated as a commentator in a network debate a newspaper blogs and received the honorary title "Troll".
Instead, I got this only indirectly: Another commentator had deviated from the political line of the publication, without insulting others in person and then regarding his mental derangement, he'd better times wore to the doctor as there, his stupidity, against a piece of bread deserves respect, whether lack of decorum, as a racist, finally, wildly attacked even as one who probably too small genitals have (literally 'tail') in the pants, seasoned with the recommendation to make themselves quickly from the field.
Until then I had not said anything to the discussion, but then grabbed the keys and stood clearly against this Niveaulosigkeiten.
Afterwards was a while first intermission. Then I got a quick riposte, which was received with no word on my content, and a little later there was talk of the "trolls" who had crept in and should not be fed longer, alswelche statement, remarkably, came in English twice and only ( "Do not feed the troll").
Since the heroic troll hunter probably should not have assumed so undechiffrierbare a secret message to be able to communicate with one another, the conclusion suggests that the Engsächsische would probably be the magic language of the conspirators Terminator elite.
By only I could be meant except the other commentator, I had so managed to capture me the word of manslaughter Internet community.
Funnily enough, I was there as so often the only one which his ideas with an easy to find on the net real names ceased, while the poor, persecuted by evil troll me nobles were hiding behind pseudonyms as ever.
Now of course there are people - but almost always under a pseudonym - who make a joke of it or even paid to stir up comment maliciously; but this was obviously not the case: the word troll therefore served only as a welcome excuse to not have to deal with an unpleasant dissenting opinion (the other sneaky troll had only been a relatively short post ...), by trying so, the other discussants as well as unceremoniously cut my honor to portray us as reprehensible, amoral entities.
Almost as a matter of course, these were to a forum which arrives otherwise much on fairly decent German, reasonable manners and especially liberality which freedom of expression, prides.
Since I'm there more often before ever surfaced and know a few people that I betrolle this block here, I order now simply times when the universe that the one or the other should read this and recognize themselves here.
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Tags: network behavior , pseudonym , Troll
Speaking of sheep media scams
Letter to Magnus Goeller
I find no other way, so therefore:
Chance played me your article in the hand.
I was initially surprised that in mutton castle, the stronghold of reaction and grave of my youth, Critical excited. ... BUT.
Some objections to the example of
1 Sheep media scams
First
Termini gleichgeschaltet and sheep media scams, I understand that you think that the press was not free himself and manipulated:
a.
The fact that the press was brought into line, do the mature citizen of the time, 33-45, in countries in the former Eastern Bloc and today of the PRC already equal. But do you mean, this attribute would make today's press in the freest of all worlds also. Why? Because you do not clean with her any way you like journalism, but partisanship discover. And therefore they are brought into line, so be somehow forced from above that? Do not deceive yourself what the nationalism of journalists moved, the self-conscious quite objectively and impartially on the right side is white. You ought to give pause at least if you. Having the charge of being brought into line,'re guaranteed to talk with a journalist FRAME or FAZ together quantitative surprised because rejects this as defamation
And is not enough that the journalism itself entirely free muzzle flips by itself prohibits namely the scale of an objective judgment? He wants namely "merely" inform, as a service to the free judgment of the audience, which he then supplied unerringly with the right food for its nationalist orientation to the world.
b.
According to your opinion but generates the discredited by you press with dizziness, by the way they tendentiösen reporting, sheep, ie people who verstandlos who presented them, ruminate partisan opinion
and provides them with corresponding pre-digested, just understand again loose opinion, so they continue as dumb mass play their intended role.
As proof you expand on that media justify their partiality contradictory to false; that they can easily identify transparent (in Libya War et al.) violent offenders, and innocent victims according to their interests and sort.
One can probably prove the mendacity if states and their bread Schreiber represent the respective national ambitions as a service to the highest humanitarian values.
But then would not even have a final due, what it is about them and also what to make of the high values, they claim on behalf of those interests for their legitimacy, so to be recognized by other sovereigns, general validity?
You are however dealing with the evidence that the masters of this world do not have clean slate, or that the claimed legitimacy of their claims ultimately "only" their interests (power, oil, money) owes. Yes, what is now the bad thing? The interests which they fight with all due by violence, or the (hypocritical) Justification and "that we are led to about 70% duped"?
What should also be "that may still be more people standing behind Gaddafi, as against him"? If you now take sides in a civil war, so what part of the people = will to rule the good thing is, that which enjoys sovereignty in the land, or again excited about the partisan bias of the press, or maybe even waste a thought on it, from which it should best interests of this truly not ordered from outside war decided now?
Given that this war is long over arching quite openly and with full light of a battle of the higher sort, the fact of imperial powers, which in the case of Libya (this is the historical misfortune of Gaddafi) by fencing skills and recognized validity of their Interests in North Africa.
c.
To the (assumed) manipulation force of the press by disinformation:
What is true of the supposedly "conformist" press, also applies to the masses, the sheep, which are supplied with information (about Arabellion).
Namely, it is a contradiction to suppose just by misinformation, by dizziness, a person could draw in the desired right direction.
The right direction already know namely the see themselves in good hands with their rule and can recite from it as their general, accepted condition of life, where to go nationalism of modern subjects.
And therefore also the vertrixeste not press more than retrieve the nationalist bias of the people.
Otherwise remains only conceit. Better would be the generation of knowledge or criticism of the nationalism of the press and especially in the war, about which she writes
@ Dr. ulrich winter
"And therefore, the vertrixeste not press more than retrieve the nationalist bias of the people."
Well, dear Dr. Winter, this statement is already wrong alone.
"But you are dealing with the evidence that the masters of this world do not have clean slate, or that the claimed legitimacy of their claims ultimately" only "their interests (power, oil, money) owes. Yes, what is now the bad thing? The interests which they fight with all due by violence, or the (hypocritical) Justification and "that we are led to about 70% duped"? "
Yes, what's the worst?
"You ought to give pause to at least, if you are guaranteed together quantitative rumbles with accusations that he was brought into line before with a journalist FRAME or FAZ, because rejects this as defamation."
I did not quite understand.
I would be happy if the whole thing would once more set of structured, because some passages were worth reading and gave a lot of sense.
LG
@ Dr. ulrich winter
@ Magnus Wolf Goeller
"Gleichschaltung" is perhaps not the historically correct term, but even in this relatively free interpretation of the essence is already expressed:
"Termini gleichgeschaltet and sheep media scams, I understand that you think that the press is not free ourselves and manipulated"
Terms such as "Gleichschaltung" or "fascism" unfortunately have the problem that they are chained to specific historical circumstances. This makes them actually become largely worthless for the present and probably also for the future. This is certainly in the interests of those to whom such attributes could be criticized today. For who of course learned from history and will do a vicious attack and make an exact copy of historical repression. Therefore, as can be "Gleichschaltung" today meant only makes similar use of words, which is why the criticism in my opinion does not apply.
Then you can of course still grapple over whether "the press was manipulated and himself unfree". I would like to have come to a word that probably knew exactly what he was talking about. Paul Sethe (1901-1967), co-founder of the FAZ:
"Press freedom is the freedom of 200 rich people to spread their opinion."
Since this statement is already several decades old and the media landscape has undergone a concentration process in the meantime, you can say, freedom of the press was today the freedom of the very few rich people to spread their opinion. The main difference to the historic DC circuit is, therefore, that today not specify more government, but private interests set the tone.
@ Föhnix
Two notes.
First, the last sentence: I rather think that public and private interests are intertwined than ever.
The concept of fascism: This is so blurred and unclear that it is sometimes interpreted classical (Roman), even "modern" (Franco, Mussolini), times - contrary to the concept of the corporate state - angedichtet also Nazism, that it almost generally translated as "brutal hierarchical structure".
Especially since the term "Nazi" anyway regularly exposes the mind.
Since there are Eco-Nazis, Air Nazis, Zionist Nazis, Genetically Modified Food-Nazis, abortion Nazis, everything a bride Kleinhirnmet.
@ Magnus Wolf Goeller
Agreement on both counts.
@ Föhnix
Here's even fruit-Nazis.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ngyh9kGapY&feature=relmfu